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Old 01-06-2016, 08:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Obama gun thing

As a conspiritard and gun lover, I rolled my eyes a few times during obama speech but overall I didn't find it to disagreeable.

People couldn't wait to shit on the guy but I found him to be mostly vague with the only concrete sounding element to be strengthening background check enforcement by hiring more fbi. Not so bad really.

I am not so sure about the mental health record access thing because I haven't seen anything concrete about what circumstance would constitute mental status as barring you from purchasing or even owning firearms. I'm willing to agree with something along these lines but there is a huge potential for abuse here. Same goes for the terror watch list really.

That smart gun thing... okay w.e obama. Really not the worst idea for police to have something like this so their guns aren't used against them, but if I was police I wouldn't be comfortable with adding any potential fail rate to something that might protect myself or others.
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Obama gun thing;

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You make some good points, especially about the potential for abuse with the mental health thing. I hadn't thought it through that deeply.
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There's only so much that can be done through an executive order. It seems to me that all that's been done is to remove the loophole that exists to let people buy guns without a background check. He defined what a "gun dealer" is to remove that loophole. He also included the funding necessary to implement the order.

I see where he also included funding for mental health, but I didn't see where that had anything to do with guns or control of them. I don't see anyone I know willing to allow their medical records viewed for this purpose.

This is a good start, imo. I'm not for banning guns, but I do think people should have to be trained and licensed. Sorta the same vein as why we don't allow people to drive without learning first.
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Also consider the (further) stigmatizing effect restricting gun sales by mental health status may have on individuals seeking diagnosis/treatment/help.

Best we just say: fuck it, 2nd Amendment was never supposed to be an individual right anyways, and end all gun sales to private citizens, full stop.
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I think the bit about funding for mental health is less for background checks and more for strengthening the pitiful state of mental health in our country today so that we can stop people from shooting up public places by ministering to the underlying sickness that makes the perpetrator think this is an appropriate means of self-expression.
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Obama gun thing;

Black, white or other?


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Well that one's easy. Obama is black.

Find another news story headline and ask me to guess. This game is awesome it's just hard to play online cause people can Google the answer.
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And he actually did say allowing those records to be accessed by background checks.

I'd wait to see any actual paperwork before I had strong feelings about whatever it is exactly he's actually going to do.

The only time I'm aware bypassing background checks is personal sale. I've always heard about gun show loopholes but every gun show I've been to requires background checks at every purchase that would otherwise require them.

And about training and what not, it's not like it's poor use of guns that are causing all of these shootings. I don't disagree with training but I don't see how it would help with our overall violence problem.
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Well that one's easy. Obama is black.

Find another news story headline and ask me to guess. This game is awesome it's just hard to play online cause people can Google the answer.
Only in America.

I haven't taken the course here, but training involves things like proper storage that can prevent accidents and misuse.
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to get a firearms license yes

same as pretty much everywhere i know of
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IMO nothing meaningful will really happen either way so, meh.

No american politician is gonna successfully rally any serious anti-gun legislation in the US in the near future.
Just some half assed measures to appease the socker moms and similar voting bases for the dems.

Something has to change on a societal level for anything meaningful to happen.
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How to legally buy a gun in Canada

hmm Didnt know you practically cant ever carry a handgun in canada. Thats different.
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could be part of the reason for the very high comparative rate of gun crimes in usa
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The USA is one of the most violent, and violence-loving nations on Earth. The country was established by using violence to acquire land (Native genocide) and violence to acquire labor (slavery). We've been killing or abusing everything since we set foot on the continent. Our favorite forms of entertainment often feature guns and violence. How many killings or murders does a child see on TV or in the movies by their 18th birthday? 40,000, or something? Of course we have more gun violence here. It's a byproduct of our culture.

What needs to happen is, America needs to grow the fuck up, and get over this shit.



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The USA is one of the most violent, and violence-loving nations on Earth. The country was established by using violence to acquire land (Native genocide) and violence to acquire labor (slavery). We've been killing or abusing everything since we set foot on the continent. Our favorite forms of entertainment often feature guns and violence. How many killings or murders does a child see on TV or in the movies by their 18th birthday? 40,000, or something? Of course we have more gun violence here. It's a byproduct of our culture.

What needs to happen is, America needs to grow the fuck up, and get over this shit.



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I agree.... and those examples only touch upon how deeply rooted the culture of violence exists here.
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I agree too.

Even though I don't want to because I want to be argumentative, I can't formulate a good argument to the contrary.
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Holy shit I swear to God some of you would apologize for being American if you introduced yourselves in a foreign country.

Asians have fucked up movies too, Rev. Jesus Christ.
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That's a good point too.

Humanity for the most part has a fascination with violence.


And why shouldn't they?

Violence is an extreme aspect of reality. It makes perfect sense for it to be so prominent in culture.
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