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Old 02-14-2016, 06:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I was telling my mother last week that I basically consider myself a pacifist, but there are a few scenarios in which I may join the military or otherwise take up arms (its hard to say unless your actually in the situation).

I hypothesized what those scenarios may be: A country like China or Russia invades and occupies Canada, ground troops, bombs in cities, the whole shebang. This scenario seems incredibly unrealistic, but that's part of why being a pacifist in today's nuclear world seems easily justifiable. If that scenario we're to happen I may go guerrilla.

Which gets me thinking, if you were a 2003 Iraqi and a foreign super power invaded your homeland under essentially false pretenses, toppled the dictator and claimed to want to install a 'democratic government', would you have gone to fight them?
What about a few years later, 2005/6?

Come to think of it, if there had been no insurgency after the Iraqi military was quickly defeated, what would Iraq's political situation be like today? Would it be the same, or would it be a puppet of the US, with American oil companies owning their oil fields etc?
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i would never fight in a war. chances are we will all get a chance to flee from one at some point in our lives.
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Old 02-14-2016, 07:39 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Right away I didn't like the use of Russia or China as the supposed potential occupiers. That's our job.

Any hypotheticals about Iraq are impossible to imagine since everything was based on bullshit. We didn't give a flying fuck about installing a democracy but were just "draining the swamp" as part of some neocon fantasy.
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Isn't China already invading Canada?
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I would only fight if i had to.

Such as in order to escape, or if there was nowhere to run to.
And desire to not fight and flee increases in relation to having loved ones to protect and get them the hell out of a war zone.

If i was a 2003 Iraqi? Id flee immediately.
If i was canuck in hypothetical chinese invasion of north america? Id flee.
Even if i was alive during WW1 or 2 id of fled, war itself or the draft.

If aliens invaded?
Id fight those fuckers to the death. This is OUR planet!

Im really not about giving my life in just a big game a handful of super rich dudes are playing though. F that.
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Isn't China already invading Canada?


This is accurate. Canada as a sovereign entity is an oxymoron unfortunately few are aware of.
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Yes. In the same way we were willing participants in the American conquering of canada.
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Watched something today about Japanese-American internment camps during WWII and the Japanese-American men who volunteered for suicide missions in the service of this country, more or less to prove their allegiance to the homeland and vindicate the honor of their families. I was thinking the whole time how unbelievable the whole thing was, and how it happened here in America. Would I have the salt if the tables were turned and it were me and my family being rounded up like cattle?

It's very hard to say, but I guess what I ended up deciding is never say never.
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Fuck that. They gave their lives for a country that treated them like dirt.
US government is shit.

Other than aliens, the only other war i might fight would be the next american revolution.
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Fender: loves the Jew that wants to massively increase government
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Hasn't Bernie been fairly red-faced and outspoken about the treatment, or lack thereof, of vets by the government?

I mean if you separate what he said from the context in which he said it, sure, it's contradictory.


Except there was context, so it isn't.
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I don't understand why the VA exists and vets don't just get medicaid.
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The theory is veterans often need specialized care, and in times of war, large numbers need them...so they have dedicated hospitals and retirement homes
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Ive been aware of the VA waiting for vets to die since the late 90s. Missing records, poor communication, delayed appointments.

If thats the kind of shit we'd have to look forward to with socialized healthcare, count me the fuck out.
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Fender: the us government is shit

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Lol just because i share some memes on Facebook and am gonna vote for the guy doesnt mean i love him.
I dont trust any politician, and if i had a death-note id write all of their names down. Bernie included.

That said, bernie's supposed mission is to tackle some of the main aspects of our government that lead to it being shit. Aka money's influence in gov, income inequality, and civil rights.
For goals, those aint to shabby.

And i dont think government is shit inherently.
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The first response regarding veterans healthcare should always be to stop these senseless perpetual wars. It's always about taking care of wounded vets and never about why the fuck we have wounded vets.
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