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Old 04-10-2016, 11:24 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Its a strange phenomenon in the USA. I think its fair to say its exemplified by the number of serial killers too.

It must be culture. Bondi's suggestion that its white people is rediculous.

I've thought about it before and can't really come up with a well reasoned position for why this violent culture exists. Best I can come up with is a national philosophy that emphasizes independence. I know its not the intent, but the emphasis on independence may result (through interpretation in discussion/media/law making) in a disconnect from community, resulting in loneliness in creatures inherently social. 'Gotta look out for myself cause no one else will'

Like I said, not a very good argument but all I can come up with.
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Old 04-10-2016, 11:37 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Nobody said anything about taking guns, trump jr.
You can't mention gun control without the NRA going into overdrive. Ever notice, after a weekly school shooting, how gun/gun related sales go through the roof? The old scare tactic that they're coming to take our guns, because someone mentions background checks, spreads like a wildfire. The NRA has a damn good lobbying firm working for them.
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Old 04-10-2016, 11:40 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Its a strange phenomenon in the USA. I think its fair to say its exemplified by the number of serial killers too.

It must be culture. Bondi's suggestion that its white people is rediculous.

I've thought about it before and can't really come up with a well reasoned position for why this violent culture exists. Best I can come up with is a national philosophy that emphasizes independence. I know its not the intent, but the emphasis on independence may result (through interpretation in discussion/media/law making) in a disconnect from community, resulting in loneliness in creatures inherently social. 'Gotta look out for myself cause no one else will'

Like I said, not a very good argument but all I can come up with.
It is statistically proven (by scientists) that people are much LESS likely to commit a crime against a someone they know personally. It is much easier to be bad to a stranger than family, friends or neighbors.

Like you say this myth of independence disconnects people from community and so crime rates rise. The funny thing about America (another one) is that all great American achievements were / are made by team effort and not by individuals, yet the 'individual' is worshipped.

It is because of the philosophy of 'meritocracy' = a place where you succeed and are judged on merit (unless you are black of course where you have a 25% chance of being in jail and coming out extremely angry ready to commit violent crime).

or something like that................ ......
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you kill more of yourselves than the rest of the world and lock up a bigger percentage of your population than North Korea, Russia, China and Nigeria does. How do you explain that?
I think you could have listed every country on the planet. At least for the locking up part.

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I agree there is much to the idea of community vs independence being adversaries in some people's mind, and I tried to touch on interconnectedness a bit near the end of the OP.

The guns themselves aren't the killers.... Making them harder to get is fine by me.... But I acknowledge that taking them away won't stop people from killing each other.

Understanding WHY we kill each other is the thing that needs unlocked.

Finding compassion and the humanness in another is a key... Maybe THE KEY... to a shift in consciousness.
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the explosion in single parent households may have something to do with it
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I think the conditions some single parents are left with, to make it or bust, can factor into the community/interconnectedness conversation for sure.

Takes a village and all that.
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Sorry-- a bit late to the conversation.

It's really interesting to me that this thread came up right now because the gov't here just started asking for public opinion/ survey on our foreign policy. It's good to consider these basic concepts to reorient our ideas or positions. Really think that participating in surveys like the ones the Liberals are issuing is incredibly important.

Anyway, I definitely agree with the woman in the first video who said that pacifism as a concept is typically conceptualized (at least by some folks who advocate violence) as an uninvolved/ uninterested position. I don't think those ideas have to or should be connected. The more we talk about resolutions to conflict that are not violent, the more options for growth we have: Our resources aren't eaten up, our positioning for power changes. I mean, most foreign policy decisions in the face of catastrophe are made rashly and because they aren't carefully-considered come with a lot of negative consequences. Not to mention money wasted as lives are destroyed.

I also think that the violence epidemic in the West has a lot to do with culture and society. Some experts are referring to this as "sick society" as there are observable connections to sickness, disease, mental illnesses in highly "developed"/ individualized societies. Stress, isolation etc all incredibly negatively impact a society.

Funny too that most typical violent responses to that kind of disconnect further create stress and isolation..
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