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Old 06-22-2016, 04:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Brexit 2: Non racial boogaloo

It's happening tomorrow. It's a big one, I want them to leave but I dont believe they will.

I'm curious about how this effects the UK as a whole. I was told this will disrupt the relationship between England and the other pieces like Scotland, Gibraltar, Meme Ireland and the others.

For anyone else that loves propaganda you can get it any way you want it with an event like this. Theres obviously 2 choices, but there are a lot of narratives.

I'm obviously nationalistic and I'm generally against any kind of groups of countries, so I'm all for leave. Purely ideologically and I think any economic effects can be positive or at worst recouped, but the benefit of having a country independent of things you might not want to be obligated to - priceless.
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Do you think that this will start a domino effect? and how broad of an effect could it have as far as other leagues of nations such as the UN, or even NATO?
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I'm Pennsylvanian. Fuq da USA.

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Instinctively I think it could trigger a collapse in the EU since such a massive display of non confidence could be so ideologically damaging that, domino effect.

But realistically, It easily very well may not damage the European Union, could somehow in a whacky way which i cant imagine benefit the union, and maybe UK could get back in some day.

As far as I'm concerned any scenario is possible, but it will definitely definitely create non confidence in the EU. I dont know how this will effect future members like Turkey and Serbia. That's another level of abstract that I'm not in to.
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I doubt it'll pass, honestly.
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Same ^

Non-confidence effect for sure, but whether or not it will start a domino effect... I doubt it will, but that may change if there is another bail out in the future and other major country's economies aren't running at full steam and able to absorb the cost.


I'm pretty on the fence as to what I want to happen, but I am very curious to see what the real fallout would be if it did, as compared to the spin. Because of course we know what staying in would look like; more of the same.
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I don't think brexit has good enough memes. Nigel Farage and the UKIP are just not competing at the same level as everyone else.
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having multiple nations exit the EU would be funny, because we are currently trying desperately hard to join

britain leaving the EU doesnt mean it will free from those "crazy eu rules", if they want access to sell on eu market they will still have to follow all regulations
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At post time the exit polls indicate 52% stay, 48% leave.
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Brexit: What We’re Not Being Told About The European Union Referendum | Collective-Evolution

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In the EU referendum about whether or not the UK should remain in the European Union, the UK government warned that leaving the EU could mean 10 years of uncertainty as new trade deals are formed, and even a collapse of the UK economy with a year of recession.

Meanwhile, the news media and anti-EU politicians concentrated on the topic of immigration, leaving the general public in fear of increasing migrants who will drain the economy and swarm their towns (source).

This same fear mongering happened in Norway when they held a referendum in 1994 (source); yet Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, and Switzerland, as non-EU members within Europe, enjoy some of the highest living standards in the world.

Iceland was also the only country to put bankers in prison instead of bail them out (source) and Norway will ban the sale of all fossil fuel-based cars in the next decade (source).

But inside the EU, a member country has the ability to influence the laws of 507 million people. Surely it makes sense to be part of a group of nations working together for a shared common good?

How The EU Works

Let’s have a look at how the EU works:

First, there is the European Parliament, where MEPs are elected by the general public to represent them; their job is to vote for or against proposed new EU laws.

Next there is the European Council, where the nations’ leaders meet; yet their job is also not to propose new legislation.

That is the role of the European Commission, which consists of 28 commissioners — one for each member country. These people are not elected but chosen by each country’s current leader. It is these unelected commissioners who create the laws, not the leaders or MEPs we vote in.

It is also important to note that the 2007 Treaty of Lisbon replaced all previous treaties as the new EU constitution; in this treaty, it is also almost impossible for any country to petition a law once it has been put in force (source).

The ERT

So where are these Commissioners getting their ideas for the laws? They come from the The European Round Table of Industrialists. The ERT consists of “around 50 Chief Executives and Chairmen of major multinational companies” and the ERT was formed with the express intention of shaping and furthering EU integration (source).

For example, in January 1985, the ERT presented “Europe 1990 – an agenda for action,” an action plan for the single market; 10 days later Jacques Delors, the new President of the Commission, gave his speech about the single market in parliament, and in June 1985, the Single Market White Paper was published, which was a copy and paste from the ERT action plan (source).



Today the ERT have a website, but in the 1990s they were extremely secretive, and in 1991 they quietly published their report called “Reshaping Europe.”

In 1997 they negotiated a trade agreement at the OECD called the Multilateral Agreement on Investment (MAI), which allowed corporations to sue governments if EU laws increasing environmental protection, improving labor standards, securing equal treatment for women, or taxing capital impeded on their profits (source).

The proposal was leaked and the agreement fell through, so the ERT put the agreement forward again under the name MIA at the WTO, but this time the commissioners resigned due to several counts of fraud and the MIA was also never passed (source).

Trade Agreements

Maybe you have heard about TTIP or CETA? These are new versions of this same trade agreement which now incorporate the USA and Canada, as corporations push harder than ever for their monopoly over governments to be enforced for the greater good.

Greenpeace Netherlands leaked copies of TTIP, stating, “Whether you care about environmental issues, animal welfare, labour rights or internet privacy, you should be concerned about what is in these leaked documents” (source).

Europe, Inc. is another non-profit report showing the dangerous liaisons between industry and EU institutions as well as other international institutions, such as the OECD, WTO, and the United Nations.

But surely none of this really matters because we can trust the EU to ultimately make decisions that are best for the people, right?

In 2002, Marta Andreasen was employed by the European Commission as Chief Accountant, but when she approached the Commission because huge sums of EU monies were unaccounted for, the Commission fired her for “failure to show sufficient loyalty and respect.” When Marta took this to the EU court, she was found guilty of refusing to sign accounts that she believed were unreliable, and she lost her pension (source).

One month after the economy collapsed in 2008, the then President of the Commission, José Manuel Barroso, appointed The Independent High Level Group on Financial Supervision. But this was not a group of independent economic experts; it was a group of eight men linked to Lehman Brothers, Citigroup, and Goldman Sachs — three of the US banks that caused the crisis in the first place.

For Greece, the decision was made to have the general public’s bank accounts frozen (source), withdrawals limited (source), and deposits taxed (source), and when the people of Greece voted on rejecting further loans from the EU in 2015 (source), the EU threatened to punish Greece further (source).

If corporations and banks are deciding what laws the commissioners should create, if politicians are cooperating with these corporations and banks, and if the decision-making processes by these corporations, banks, and politicians are deliberately being carried out in secret, is it enough for us to just say that this is the world we live in today? Where is the EU heading?

Within the EU itself, it is no secret that the goal is to build a superstate renamed the United States of Europe (1, 2, 3), with its own central government (source) and an EU army (source), as well as EU border and coast guards and a European CIA (source).

The EU’s CIA does now exist, Eurojust is also being given power to start criminal investigations and prosecutions, and Europol is the European Union’s police force.

Meanwhile, the EU is blocking its borders to the humanitarian crisis caused by wars that it is supporting, and it is increasingly being called “Fortress Europe” (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6).

USA Getting Involved

usa army eu The USA is also sending in a wave of military assistance to provide “a visible symbol of U.S. commitment to the region and our European allies” (1, 2, 3, 4).

Have we not learned from history that when the economic situation gets increasingly worse for the general public (1, 2, 3, 4), and people start to act out of fear towards others (1, 2), they turn a blind eye to their own government’s role in the treatment of others around the world (source), they accept the removal of all their civil rights (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6), and they sign up for war (source), which only increases hatred and propagates more violence (source)?

We also know from history that this situation is a potential recipe for fascism, dictatorship, and a police state (1, 2, 3, 4, 5); yet we still cling on to the notion that democracy means letting these people run things on our behalf.

A recent study by Princeton University has statistically proven that the USA is now covertly ruled by a small group of people in government, big business, media, and the intelligence services. Does the evidence presented here not suggest that this is also the case in Europe?

People say there is nothing we can do, but this system only functions because we cooperate. We blame society, but we are society. The question is, when are we going to speak out — at work, in public, on social media — and proudly shout out “no more!”?
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Old 06-23-2016, 02:39 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Do we even think that this vote wont just be rigged like every other "democratic ballot" in the world lol?
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I'm kinda surprised Americans even care about this
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We love to LARP democracy but I think the most optimistic of all of us have a feeling that even if our votes do count, this might not be the best system.
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LARP democracy haha
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You say haha but I bet that one will sink in
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69% voter turnout.

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Yea thats what I was thinking. Results still very low though, could change.
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So far every time I refresh I see leave winning.

I dont see results for london counted yet.

Im more anxious when I like how things are going.
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