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Old 02-16-2017, 10:53 AM   #581 (permalink)
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no wonder /pol/ loves this guy, he is a raving autist
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If I was Russia I'd wait for an adult to take over in 2020.
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no wonder /pol/ loves this guy, he is a raving autist
God this shit hurts my brain. Dont understand.
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The Russian stuff is overly weird. If I hadn't seen that Hilary and the democrats were super hostile towards Russia and that they're both involved with the Syria shit show I might buy into it more. Most of these Russia stories seem to be based off nothing and are constantly being discredited days if not hours later. The Washington Post almost on a weekly basis now has to go back to their stories and add a correction basically saying the story was complete bs. What I've read is the conversation Flynn lied about was telling Russia not to over react to the sanctions Obama put on Russia and that when Trump would come in power that he'd be willing to renegotiate. I don't think he was really compromised but he lied to Pence about it which cause Pence to lie to the public about it causing a major embarrassment for the whole administration.

I've been reading the stuff Glenn Greenwald has been working on over at The Intercept and it's been pretty interesting and more believable but of course a lot of it is based off speculation too. He's basically of the mindset that there's this weird underground war right now between the intel angencies and the new Trump administration and they're trying to delegitimize him and neuter his power. That's kind of scary too because then you might end up with this unelected deep state government representing the interests of international banking and the defence industry. But at this point maybe that is prebable to Trump and his cronies. I just find it strange when annoyonmous sources from the CIA are constantly giving the media these very vague intel to support conspiracy theories and you'd think the CIA would be the last people on earth to encourage anyone believing in any kind of conspiracy.

I still just think Hilary was going to go to war with Russia and it was in Putin's best interest for that not to happen. Trumps an ego maniac who under a tremendous amount of scrunity and he gets mad if SNL makes fun of him. So if any sort of foreign leader looks at him in any kind of positive light he relishes in it. I don't know if anyone saw the Bill O Riley interview but when asked about Russia after Bill called them killers Trump said something the lines of "we have a lot of killers too, what makes you think America is so innocent?" and of course all the liberals got mad as if what he said wasn't 100% true. What was concerning to me wasn't what he said but how he said it, like being a killer like Putin was an admirable trait. It's crazy to me how little we know right now but if you turn on MSNBC right now Rachel Maddow will be calling Trump a coward if he doesn't declare all out war on them and it's like ...Aren't you guys supposed to be the progressives here. It's sad that whether conservative or liberal we're so overly eager to start bombing someone.
I completely agree with you, and previously thought that the whole russian involvement thing was a joke (not that they tried to influence it, but that its a story worth mentioning), but even if our thinking on that is correct, it doesn't necessarily exclude actual involvement from Russia. I wouldn't be surprised now if it was/is both.

Take a look at Paul Manafort's history. There is other evidence too, I just can't remember it off the top of my head.
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Furthermore, the democrats were (after somehow loosing to an abomination) and still are fully on board with this blame the russians narrative, because it distracts from the immense failures of their own party. The media is on board with it because it changes the discussion from their own culpability in electing a mentally ill man to the presidency.

Here's a comment I made on a CBC The National video about 'faith in the media' back in december...

"Russia may have tried to influence the USA election. The USA does this continuously around the world, its a part of global politics, defend against it and get over it.

You want to talk about faith in media? Why don't we hear anyone say; 1) Emails got leaked but there is no evidence of election fraud. People who voted for Trump actually voted for Trump. 2) No one has denied the validity of the emails. The voters know more about one of the candidates and are disgusted. Win for the voters. 3) Would the mainstream US media and the democratic party have any interest in directing the discussion around why they lost away from themselves? After offering no change from a widely known to be broken system (DNC/Hillary) and broadcasting more of an empty Trump podium than of Bernie Sanders speech (american establishment media) Yes they would. 4) Would the CIA and greater US defense establishment have any reason to ramp up demonization of Russia in the eyes of the western public? A reason like further advancing the military build up around Russia's borders. Yes they would.

Report on things as they are and not as you hear them and we will have more faith in the media."

And also, there is this:



Isn't it bizarre that such a left leaning character finds an audience for his truth on the furthest right propaganda network in the US?
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I completely agree with you, and previously thought that the whole russian involvement thing was a joke (not that they tried to influence it, but that its a story worth mentioning), but even if our thinking on that is correct, it doesn't necessarily exclude actual involvement from Russia. I wouldn't be surprised now if it was/is both.

Take a look at Paul Manafort's history. There is other evidence too, I just can't remember it off the top of my head.
Even if Russia is 100% guilty of everything we accuse them of doing it would still be a mere pittance compared to what we do. Anything they do is regional while our forays cover the globe.
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Old 02-17-2017, 10:41 AM   #587 (permalink)
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Got my Trump bumper sticker in the mail today.

It says:

Does this ASS(pic of Trump)make my truck look fat????

Waiting for the first Trumpster to run me off the road.
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The terrifying thing about Trump going on and on and on about 'fake news' is that... he's right. Not that it's fake, they do real investigation, but that American mainstream media is a propaganda agency for the establishment and ruling class.

As a foreigner, changing from a canadian or british news cast over to an american one, it's just unbelievable how unprofessional and ridiculous american journalism is presented. It's almost hard to stomach at times. And I'm talking the whole spectrum from msnbc to fox and everything in between.

So when Trump says the media lies, he's right. They lie through omission/choice of coverage and misleading characterization of events. But of course Trump isn't saying it because he's concerned about oligarchial control over the national narrative, he's saying it because it helps dismiss and confuse any coverage of his failing presidency.

Oh and he's a narcissist who literally can't comprehend anything that suggests he's less than the greatest.
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The terrifying thing about Trump going on and on and on about 'fake news' is that... he's right. Not that it's fake, they do real investigation, but that American mainstream media is a propaganda agency for the establishment and ruling class.

As a foreigner, changing from a canadian or british news cast over to an american one, it's just unbelievable how unprofessional and ridiculous american journalism is presented. It's almost hard to stomach at times. And I'm talking the whole spectrum from msnbc to fox and everything in between.

So when Trump says the media lies, he's right. They lie through omission/choice of coverage and misleading characterization of events. But of course Trump isn't saying it because he's concerned about oligarchial control over the national narrative, he's saying it because it helps dismiss and confuse any coverage of his failing presidency.

Oh and he's a narcissist who literally can't comprehend anything that suggests he's less than the greatest.
I agree and have felt the same way since before the little Bush admin.

However what Trump is doing is laying the ground work for him to start his own "state" sanctioned news outlet. If the TNN (Trump news network) isn't a thing in the next 6 months I will be very surprised.

The way to get better journalists is to encourage relationships with the press with a fair and honest exchange of information. Not turn them into enemies. When you cower in the shadows and hide information than people are going to try to suss out what you are hiding, sometimes taking leaps(unprofessional ) is the only way to get a good read of the situation and to know if you were on the right track or not. However in the age of clickbait and ratings over integrity it is impossible to not feel like everyone in the situation from the news outlets to the people they are reporting on are all scumbags. Another problem that arises is that when you discredit MSM and feel that everything they say is a lie, you are prime to fall into the trap of seeking out other, even less reputable news sources such as the Coast to Coast, Breitbarts, that rando on youtube of the world. I am far from knowing what a true solution is other than consider the source, and don't put too much stock in any one outlet, and for the benefit of all don't spout off things "you" read/watched as fact until you know that they are more than just disguised opinion.
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The solution is to reverse the (I believe) Clinton era laws that allowed the entire countries media, from national television news to local small town newspapers, everything, to be bought up by six multinational corporations run by billionaires.

Other countries media can rightly be criticized, but it lives in the same era and has managed to not become the dangerous drivel that's presented as news in the USA.
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Don't you guys have a law that bans Fox News up in canada because it isn't considered a news outlet but rather an entertainment/propaganda network?
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Don't you guys have a law that bans Fox News up in canada because it isn't considered a news outlet but rather an entertainment/propaganda network?
No clue... my initial reaction was 'psshhh, no,' because I see plenty of fox news clips... but then I realized I'm pretty sure thats all online...

It could just be our cable package, but we (my residence) don't get it. So.. maybe? We get CNN for sure, the others I'm not sure about. ... I consume most of my television online.

I do know that Fox news tried to come to Canada to do Fox News Canada and it was basically booed out of the country.
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Holy shit,

>blame media for lying
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>blame "democrat" sabotage
>email people begging to confirm their bias

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Don't you guys have a law that bans Fox News up in canada because it isn't considered a news outlet but rather an entertainment/propaganda network?
Well Sun TV was a thing here for a bit but became a failure. It was Toronto Sun type news network kind of in the same vein as Fox. My former therapist used to be on their channel semi regularly but they kept putting her clips on TV out of context. Overall the CBC as a general concept is a super troubling thing. It's a government funded News network. That's just crying propaganda all over it especially when the liberal government are constantly expanding it's funding and the conservative government is constantly decreasing it's funding or abolish it altogether. Yet that being said I really like CBC and although lean left do a pretty good job. Especially CBC Radio has some of the best most thought out investigative journalism in the country imo. I used to listen to that shit for hours when I worked as a cashier.

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Holy shit,

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>people tell you media is okay
>blame "democrat" sabotage
>email people begging to confirm their bias

These apes man
Well the news media is definitely a problem. Trump's not completely 100% wrong about that. As a former college journalism drop out it's clear I'm an expert on this subject.

During the election I was honestly disgusted by most major news outlets. People used to complain about Fox alot but I realized most of these outlets are all the same. They were all clearly anti Trump though the start which is fine, he brings it upon himself a lot of time for being a crazy idiot but the fact I couldn't ever find any reporting on Bernie or Hilary ever was a huge issue. With the internet and social media what journalism used to be is dead. But what their solution is to become entertainers more than anything else. When you have some as outrageous as Trump in office people suddenly are interested. You keep your job and money starts coming in. It's a business so when these outrageous stories get traction it's only good business to make every story as outrageous as possible because people are outraged right now so keep playing into that.

So most people just read the headlines, maybe the opening paragraph then jump to conclusions. Even in grade school you learned the basic premise of a story was who, what, when, where, how. Now it's just jump to whatever is the newest thing at the time and just jump 100% on board with it until people get bored. So they're constantly discrediting themselves. People like Trump now can use that as an excuse not to talk to people like CNN by simply calling them fake news. You also get frustrated with this causing people to get news from insane sites like infowars and then you get pizzagate shootings. It's sad when Zuckerberg has to step in on the "war against fake news" because so many people are just reading facebook posts as newsworthy and most of them are already in an echo chamber.

Remember how silly we all thought it was when people were watching the daily show as a news source rather than a political comedy? A story broke out awhile ago about Kevin O'Leary and the Mosque shooting that I was a little skeptical of but when I tried to look into it myself I couldn't find any sources outside of ten pages on Google of all these people immediately jumping on the same story because they all want to be the first on such a hot topic. It's a serious issue when you can't trust either of these political parties, the intel agencies or the media anymore. There's just way too much information for people to process right now and all of it being on a scale from 1-10 of being insane it's 11 it's making people go crazy.
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Holy shit,

>blame media for lying
>create survey for people
>people tell you media is okay
>blame "democrat" sabotage
>email people begging to confirm their bias

These apes man
It's THE most biased survey I've EVER seen.
Not even clever.

Edit: Have fun

https://gop.com/mainstream-media-accountability-survey/
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Reggie I'd say it's even worse than people give it credit for

The email leaks showed collusion to do the following things:
Eliminate coverage of dem competition
Promote "most easily defeatible/most ridiculous" republican candidates

Obviously this massively backfired

Now I don't know who Ellison associates with but he seems genuine. The dem party needs to get far away from podesta and David brock. That element is so toxic and power obsessed that they do not listen to the base at all. They'll mime the base then do whatever the hell they want to do anyways.
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Also on reggies point: the gaslighting is hot and heavy on every angle, it's completely amazing to just sit back and watch. No one is immune.
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Reggie, get back in journalism. I'm impressed.
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