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Old 11-05-2017, 08:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Post The Texas church shooting....

Another "tragedy." It was very interesting where this took place. Many people will think my views of these incidents are rather harsh, but the truth is always the truth. Let's look at the entire scenario.

First, at this point, we know very little about the shooter. Looks like he lived about 35 miles away. A "civilian" grabbed his rifle and gave chase to the shooter. Good for him. I would have probably done the same thing.

Second, look where it happened. It was in a good ol' Baptist church in the white supremacist state of Texas. On one side, I feel for the families of the victims. On the other side though, let's really look at who they were. A good stereotype description is they were "good people of the cloth." They lived good honest lives. My question though is how many of those victims would pick up the phone and dial 911 if they witnessed any type of "marijuana activity?" Probably most of them. This means they don't even really believe in their own Bible. This incident may be punishment from The Lord for their own hypocritical ways.

Remember, Texas is a big oil state and Dubya executed a lot of black men during his tenure as governor. I spent three days there one night because of the corrupt police. The story is in my memoirs. Many people I associated with during my tenure in the movement in Colorado thought The Governor was harsh. What he said was real. How am I supposed to have sympathy for anyone who believes in the government prohibition of our greatest plant? The sad part is they don't really understand that what they do is terribly wrong.

I stay the hell away from churches. I find just about all of the parishioners are easily brainwashed. Most wars are fought over religion. The Zeitgeist Film Series Gateway | Zeitgeist: The Movie, Zeitgeist: Addendum, Zeitgeist: Moving Forward
I feel what happened in Texas was one evil versus another.
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Old 11-06-2017, 01:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I am as pro marijuana as they come but I refuse to base my feelings on any victims of any tragedy on what their views on marijuana might be. I'm also an Atheist who thinks that any believers who think their savior is a vengeful prick should find a new savior.
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i dont know anything about these people other than they were shot while attending church sunday. some of the nicest, kindest, thoughtful people i've known through the years were "church goers". the church seems like a pretty humble building..
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On one side, I feel for the families of the victims.
should have just stopped there
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I opened this thread like "how is he gonna make this about weed?" And whoomp there it is.
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When people lose family and friends it is not the time to push vague political agendas based on nothing more than a hunch that "they may be against something that I am for".

What poor taste. This self serving bs only looks to worsen any argument you may have had and make those that support legalization look bad.
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Old 11-07-2017, 10:26 AM   #7 (permalink)
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i dont know anything about these people other than they were shot while attending church sunday. some of the nicest, kindest, thoughtful people i've known through the years were "church goers". the church seems like a pretty humble building..
I agree with what you say but must add that the biggest hypocrites to walk the face of the earth are also in those same humble buildings.
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"People who hypothetically don't want me to get high deserve to be killed"
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"People who hypothetically don't want me to get high deserve to be killed"
I'm just saying I don't have a lot of sympathy when this happens. You should have been there when The Governor and I would listen to the messages he would get on his machine. We would sit there and laugh because the church people would call and say "God's going to get you Ken Gorman."

We all live on the same planet and I believe in live and let live unless it affects others. My cannabis usage has never affected anyone else in a negative way in the 40 plus years of my partaking. Yet I had many people threaten to call law enforcement on me merely for the possession of it. By the way, the law enforcement are probably the most widespread group of "sinners" there is. Yet, the church people believe they are being protected by them from people who are made dangerous by using a plant mentioned on the first page of their Bible.

Most people in the churches believe in the government more than The Lord. If I am approached by religious types, I make them aware of that and they go crawling away. They believe their government is "Bible based." Can you name me one true "Christian" president we have ever had? Maybe Jimmy Carter. If our government was truly "Bible based, cannabis/hemp would still be our staples and there would have never been any arrests for any usage of it in any form.

I do feel for those people. They didn't go to church that day to be murdered. I feel for them as much as I feel for all the Iraqis that Dubya had murdered all in the name of oil and the greed of the Bush family. No arrests there. I feel for the families of the 9/11 victims as well along with the ones from the Las Vegas massacre. Both of those seem to be a Black Op. Go listen to the first piece of Zeitgeist with George Carlin.

I have to say at least I started something.
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Listen man, I know this is unlikely to change your opinion but you let marijuana, a drug, control every aspect of your life and your thought process, your world view seems to revolve around it and play into a persecution complex. This doesn't sound like the post of some revolutionary genius, it sounds like the ravings of a delusional conspiracy theorist with substance dependency issues. Should people be arrested for weed? No. Should weed legalization be the focal point of every waking moment? I would hope you have more to live for than getting high and feeling persecuted.
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Gov died in jail, he shouldn't have, I get that. It sucks. When you make posts like this though you're playing into a massively divisive mindset. A bunch of families got murdered and you say you don't feel bad because they might have called the cops if they saw you commiting crimes. Do you think that is going to change anyone's mind about weed? It's only going to confirm their worst stereotypes.

We're winning the war for legalization by NORMALIZING cannabis, where as you are still radicalizing it.
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pretty sure ken gorman was killed in a b&e at home, not in jail
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I may have conflated a couple stories.
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I agree with what you say but must add that the biggest hypocrites to walk the face of the earth are also in those same humble buildings.
they have more than their share, no doubt, but im sure we would agree they don't hav a monopoly on the practice..
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they have more than their share, no doubt, but im sure we would agree they don't hav a monopoly on the practice..
I was just thinking of my church going days. I remember a known womanizer being one of the ushers who passed around the collection baskets. I also remember so many more who lived a completely different life compared to the one they portrayed whilst in church. Church seemed like a weekly ritual to keep god off their ass until the following week.
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Listen man, I know this is unlikely to change your opinion but you let marijuana, a drug, control every aspect of your life and your thought process, your world view seems to revolve around it and play into a persecution complex. This doesn't sound like the post of some revolutionary genius, it sounds like the ravings of a delusional conspiracy theorist with substance dependency issues. Should people be arrested for weed? No. Should weed legalization be the focal point of every waking moment? I would hope you have more to live for than getting high and feeling persecuted.
This is a pot forum. He's an advocate. I agree that he shouldn't base his judgement of others solely on their stance on the legalization issue but I don't think he's wrong in thinking those people probably were anti-pot since it was fucking Texas after all. To say he's delusional for being adamant about his belief that so many lives are destroyed by our antiquated pot laws is an exaggeration. Also, people can smoke pot on a daily basis for decades upon decades and NOT have a substance abuse problem. The fact that you couldn't doesn't make it so.
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I take the same stance as The Governor did. Anyone who stands against cannabis/hemp is a very evil person with serious character flaws. I think of all the lives ruined by the prohibition which is supported by church goers. People thrown in jail and their property stolen by the ones on taxpayer's salary. My life leans more towards fighting the injustice and the people who support it. The churches in Nazi Germany supported Hitler. My life does not revolve around cannabis. More so, it revolves around the relegalization of industrial hemp.

No one says too much about the 29,000 people who die daily of starvation. Murders of a few people don't make the national news. I've been called all sorts of names since I joined the movement over 25 years ago. But I still continue on because I still hear stories of the corruption caused by the greed and dishonesty. That will never go away as it never has.
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we are shaped by our experiences, going to Church, for me,as a kid and young adult, was a very pleasant experience..mainly because all the people my age were females and very pleasant to be around..i'm sure there were plenty of shenanigans with the adult folk, i just wasn't privy to it, and when i moved out of the house i haven't stepped foot inside a church more than half a dozen times since..

for all that i know these people who were slaughtered were fine people..certainly not deserving of being shot in a fit of rage..but alas..i'd venture a guess that a complete whack job could gun down an elementary school and things just wouldn't change..

i don't have any problem whatsoever with advocacy, even in the extreme..but i'm pretty sure this terrible event isn't a terribly efficient, or wise vehicle towards marijuana legalization
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Increasing use, neglecting other activities to focus on use, continuing to use despite social pressure, continuing to use despite legal consequences. Those are the main critera for substance abuse sisorders. 2 to 3 of those qualifies some one to be diagnosed as having a substance abuse disorder (different from dependency)
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I take the same stance as The Governor did. Anyone who stands against cannabis/hemp is a very evil person with serious character flaws.
Must be nice to draw the world so black and white. People do what they think will make them happy, if that means they think keeping drugs out of their community will keep them happy that's the stance they'll take. Are they misinformed? Definitely. Should they maybe mind their own business? Probably, but calling anyone who is against weed evil is assinine.
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