Sugar420

well believe it or not, more than 3 years ago i closed my bank accounts and spent all the cash in non-taxable transactions and havent used any U.S. currency since.
in fact i dont have any money at all
but i sure been gardening like a mofo

Real Corona

Well unless you don't buy any products, then you are doing a good job.

j-wonder

for all your intrest in environmental issues, it seems you are letting something else get in the way of addressing worldwide environmental concerns
(like a particular president maybe? )....why aren't you mentioning the countless enviornmental problems that are at least as important as those in the US, that are occuring in every country on earth.

The Asian Continent (not to mention the Eurasian Mass of land) is a larger CO2 and other greenhouse gas producer than the US, and they are increasing at much faster rates in many cases (china etc.) than the US is. Ditto for developing nations, and others.

We are doing more damage? Then why are thousands of people dying in Africa from diseases in festering water....? Clearly there are problems with polution in these places too. And it wouldnt suit the US to take some kind of amazing moral stance that is economically impossible, especially in that we would be competing with a much larger world that did not do these things...(which would render the effort meaningless anyway)...

I am much more optimistic about the potential for new technologies and the potential profitability of clean technology and enegy (on a long to decadal time scale)....which will be profitable, than i am about trying to eliminate polution overnight, by adding huge costs to the 'cost of living/owning a business'...

i dont think you'll find to many people who are Pro-pollution. either in office, or in real life.

SmokeSomeDoja

maybe not pro-pollution, but certainly anti-anti-pollution.

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Sugar420

unless i dont?
well thanx!
i did buy a big jug of alaskan fish formula
and some hydro plant nutrients
and some underwear
and i have store-bought shoes becuz the ones i tried to make out of birch-bark were a failure

o j wonder, me love you long time!

well interesting point and im glad you brought it up.
this is exactly why in the first post i asked every yahookan to think globaly and act locally. if theres any yahookans in asia or africa i hope they hear my call to action, and join in the nonviolent struggle against the abuse of humans and the environment.

it hasnt escaped me that China has a very poor human rights record, and that the amount of pollution pouring into the skies, waters and countryside of china is increasing as a result of greater industrialization.
it also hasnt escaped my notice that the low low prices at wal-mart are so low low in part becuz most of the things they sell there come from china and other countries with poor human rights records and where little or no law concerning pollution or protection of the environment is ever enforced.
the wal-martization of america is inexorably linked to the poverty and pollution of china.
ditto for developing nations, and others.

the point is not which nation or continent is most to blame,
the point is that you can take action no matter where you live
and i am asking yahookans to take action

newayz, j wonder my darling dear, im too stoned at the moment to explain in full detail every point you seem to be missing, besides i can tell you didnt read the articles linked in the very post you quoted

kiWikkid

The US is the largest co2 producing country in the world, "belching" nearly a quarter of the global total.

At the time of the last ice age, when ice covered the land as far south as where NYC is, the average temp was only 5 degrees lower than what it is now, which shows only a minimal temp change can have dramatic climatic effects. If trends being measured since the 50's continue, the world will be 5 degrees warmer than it is now in less than 100 yrs.

With my understanding of human nature, future generations are fucked.

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PsyOpKing

jwonder you are right that india and china put out the majority of carbon on this planet..but russia US norway and canada as well as a few other NATO countries are all involved in HAARP and programs like it. Using the technology they can and have been moving around masses of air in the atmosphere...now look at this photo and explain to me how NATURALLY the carbon thats been around the planet is suddenly conentrated on the two most vegetation filled ares on the planet.

Sugar420

^OOTF maybe you could make your own thread about HAARP, it's history, what it is, what they are doing and why, the consequences and all the other information laid out in an easy to understand presentation of facts with pictures and everything...
you should also include links and sources, give people's whole names if you can, and the basic lowdown for us nonscientists on high energy particle beams
and if it is dangerous what we can do about it

becuz honestly a post in this thread, a post in that thread, disjointed unconnected and scattered as the information is now its very difficult for me, and im sure others, to understand what the hell you are talking about.

everything i have ever heard about HAARP from everyone except you is that its just a research project only.
but if you know more about it, i think its possibly your moral duty to inform us in a way that we can understand, with all information collected together in one easy to read thread, instead of off topic posts giving only hints and rumors spread out over several other people's threads that are focused on other areas of activist intrest, becuz
1, i dont think you are sharing a very large fraction of your knowledge and talents with us, and
2, there is an old saying that a well placed arrow will get you dinner, but a hundred stones thrown everywhere will only scare the birds away.

PsyOpKing

i did a whole post on haarp....no one read it....i did a whole reply to a global warming thread which bassially laid out all of the things you requested and very few actually looked at the links/info...i made it even simpler and posted a link to a scientific lecture that anyone with evena higschool's ammount of knowledge would be able to understand.....i dont think a single person viewed the video....both threads relating to HAARP have been deleted as i cant find them even trough the search.....i will however make another post that will get people pointed in the right direction....not right away though as i will type it up in word and just paste it here....will be up i na day or so.... just to let you know this i am not an expert on it but have done enough research and studies on it to know its real and fucked up...oh and one last thing.....all the information thats arround all speculates ont he WHY's of haarp...those are the only things that are unknown as the people doing it have all given different answers.....

kiWikkid

If we're discussing greenhouse gases, CO2 has the greatest impact, and the US is the country that per capita produces the most. But overall, the US accounts for 23 percent of all energy-related carbon emissions worldwide (U.S. Department of Energy) And while only 5 % of the world's population, Americans consume 26 % of the world's energy. (American Almanac)
http://www.solarenergy.org/resources/energyfacts.html


That photo is of CO and those hotspots are from the extensive burning and deforestation that goes on in those areas, not HAARP. Your tinfoil hat is slipping mate.


I hope that doesn't mean you're going to jack every environmental/social thread to compensate.

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kiWikkid

Right on Sister.

I haven't quite taken it that far, but I've semi opted out, gotten rid of debt, grow some of my food (doesn't it taste just so much better) and of course grow my own smoke (doesn't it taste just so much better) I moved to a little community where more and more "commerce" is done by bartering. At the end of the day, you cant really change the world, just the world around you.

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PsyOpKing

no sorry its not becasue of deforristation but nice try the kid...please go read up on HAARP. i dont cvare per capita ...i was talking about total ammounts and india and china put out the most. And programs like HAARp are responsible for the large shifts as they can move large fields of air....please go and and do some research on HAARP....its becasue of people like you that i see no point in putting up another thread,,,,i could point you to the videos and websites but you wont bother reading them.....have fun kiwi you are now on ignore....

TimeXzone

No.. I didnt miss out on that. I just dont agree that it will be too late.

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PsyOpKing

TimeXzone....i tink you are a bnit behind the news....Great britain by 2020 will look like siberia, will have the same climate.....thats already to late to stop. the arctic is already to late to stop from melting ot a seriously dangerous level. While other parts of the planet are cooling the arctic is warming. The scary thing is the farther north you go above the 60* the faster the warming. Its becoming so warm that bodies ofd water are drying up and more and more moisture is staying in the atmosphere.

kiWikkid

Actually I read "Angels dont play that Haarp" and found much of it to be believable.

However you are just jumping on a band wagon, rehashing bits of information and mixing it with your own brand of disinformation.

That image you posted is from the mopitt (Measurements Of Pollution In The Troposphere) sensor showing carbon monoxide which is produced from burning fossil fuels - by industry/cars, which is why the northern hemisphere shows higher levels, where human population and industry is much greater; as well as burning of forests and grasslands, which is why there are hot spots over parts of Sth America and Africa, where deforestation by burning and savannah burning is a major problem.

People like you, who spread disinformation that detracts from the real issues, are just as much of a problem as the issues themselves.

Here's a conspiracy theory. You actually work for the Bush Govt. and its your job to make the leftwing look like idiots, as well as clouding the issues with disinformation.

And thanks for telling me I'm on your ignore list, but this reply was more to people with at least half a brain who might be interested in other issues.

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kiWikkid

Oh yeah the mopitt sensor was designed and built by the Canadian Space Agency, they obviously care about the issues of air pollution.
This is a good movie like the above image but over a ten month period in 2000. Makes for interesting viewing.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/New...irst_yeara.mpg

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PsyOpKing

saw the movie on the same server where thoe iomages came from....but thanx again....most of my information is coming first hand and not from the internet so thanx again but you are the one getting rehashed info from people on a bandwagon...now once again please explain to me why the areas that produce the largest ammounts of carbon china and india, have their carbon flowing away.....youa re arguing something that is a fact....that the amazon is currently under 3 times the ammount of carbon then it can handle... its also under 6 times the ammount of carbon that south america is producing....you are trying to argue the fact that the governmnet of Norway has adimitted to using its version of HAARP to remove sulphates and carbon from its skies. Look at the holes in the ozone layer over the last 5 years....it went from being a large hole over north america to a figure 8 type shape covering north and south america and then to a figure 8 shape covering south america and africa....guess what that figure 8 that was covering south america and africa was in place between august 2000 and january 2001. that DOES NOT HAPPEN NATURALLY....


Office of Naval Research This website shows what HAARP does tot he EM field that is around the earth....also another thing that im pretty sure you haevnt read anywhere about HAARP is that it creates holes in the actual atmosphere that are vissible...during clear sunny days the alst 2 weeks there have been about a dozen incidents over ontario where planes have sprayed aluminum barium as well as other conductive metals and with in 10 minutes teh trail has gone from being a white puffy chemtrail to being a black linear hole along the sky. Ever see stars during the middle of the day????? angels dont play this haarp is speculative at best at the efects and uses of HAARP....it is filled witht he same information availble on most sites that deal with HAARP.....i have yet to see a single one of them actually show the effects of HAARP on the atmosphere....most of them deal on;y with its effects on weather and cloud patterns .... as i said above im going to write up a tread on HAARP that will outline the most important points....

and kiwi since you seem to "know" about haarp
please tell me 5 uses of the technology...

kiWikkid

First off, the lack of abuse and caps lock is noted and appreciated.

Secondly, I don't "know" about haarp, I just read said book. But I am aware of ...
- the ideas of Tesla.
- that many countries have ionispheric heaters, but that haarp is more powerful.
- that the military is interested in the many theorised results (both admitted, like communication, and undisclosed like weather control) from giving the ionisphere big jolts, but these are still yet to be fully tested and in reality, are completely unknown. Hence the real danger.
- the effects EMF may have on people.

But I also think that you blur the lines between different issues, and in this thread we were talking about the environment, particularly global warming, not your polarised (considering you think you are the only person with all the facts) opinion of haarp. With regard to global warming, carbon monoxide is not a greenhouse gas, but seeing as your proof of haarp effects is a polution sensor image of carbon monoxide lets look at the facts ...

The major sources in 1990 of carbon monoxide were agricultural waste burning (21%), savannah burning (18%) and deforestation (11%; Olivier et al. 1996). Other important sources are road transport (21%) and the use of biofuels (19%). Most important regions who contribute to the total amount of carbon monoxide are located in Africa (savannah burning). According to EDGAR they emitted 25% of the global total, followed by Latin America (15%), China (11%) and India (11%).
http://arch.rivm.nl/env/int/hyde/eise.html#co

OK that info is a bit outdated but the issue of burning forests and grasslands has been going on for decades, and still is, and it bugs me when someone comes along and muddies the water, diverting even more attention from the real and tangible issues.

Like you said, start another haarp thread.

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PsyOpKing

dude....you just said it your self your info is out dated....there was no fires at the time of those photos....in fact please explain this too me....if there was fires in the amazon or africa...that would only increase the the amounts of carbon in those ares of the world...that WOULD NOT DECREASE the ammount of carbon world wide as is shown in the picture and the video. im not saying that these are the direct result of HAARP.....i said the technology in use CAN do this...dont see me saying it DID...i asked you how it could happen naturally...and you did not give me a full answer...you didnt explain why the levels went down world wide except for thsoe 2 spots and in the southern hemasphere

kiWikkid

That second image shows an increase of carbon monoxide over amazon and africa.
I think you should watch that video again to see how much carbon monoxide is produced and where, and how far it travels in the jet steams.
I'll admit more is produced in the india/china region at certain times of the year than I thought, but I still stand by the fact that the US is the country that emits the most carbon dioxide

I keep trying to explain those concentrations occur from burning fossil fuels, forests and grasslands.

As to the extent of fires in the amazon and africa in 2000, check out the flash page top right on this site. When the flash page loads click on the months at the top to see the maps. You can see they correlate to the same periods in the video of carbon monoxide concentrations.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/fire/world.html#

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