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Old 10-03-2005, 10:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 10-03-2005, 11:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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LOL^

what a douchebag

BTW, that song was funny as hell. i couldn't understand a word of it though...
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Old 10-03-2005, 11:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
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as a matter of fact i dont

i work in my garden and my garden does not feed the war machine

all war is a struggle for the control of natural resources.
my work is to share natural resources

if you put on a uniform and pick up a gun, you are fighting to keep the rich people rich, and the poor people poor.
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Old 10-03-2005, 12:50 PM   #4 (permalink)
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as a matter of fact i dont

i work in my garden and my garden does not feed the war machine

all war is a struggle for the control of natural resources.
my work is to share natural resources

if you put on a uniform and pick up a gun, you are fighting to keep the rich people rich, and the poor people poor.
So what you're saying is you're entirely self-sufficient, v3d4? You don't consume electicity off of a power grid?

How'd you get the computer you're posting on?

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if you put on a uniform and pick up a gun, you are fighting to keep the rich people rich, and the poor people poor.
Bull.
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Old 10-03-2005, 01:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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no, im certainly not saying that.
what i am saying is that i have limited my consumerism and so can you
i dont buy brand america and you dont have to either

babylon system wants you to believe that it is hopeless and pointless to reject war and the big business of murder for profit,
those who stand to profit the most from murder, enviromental degridation and the erosion of human rights want you to believe that such things are not only inevitable and unavoidable but also necessary and natural

but INI speak the truth: the best way is peace

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fact. rich people raise armies, poor folks dont.
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Old 10-03-2005, 01:57 PM   #6 (permalink)
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So what you're saying is you're entirely self-sufficient, v3d4? You don't consume electicity off of a power grid?

How'd you get the computer you're posting on?


FACT.
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Old 10-03-2005, 02:33 PM   #7 (permalink)
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no, im certainly not saying that.
what i am saying is that i have limited my consumerism and so can you
i dont buy brand america and you dont have to either
Unless you do not purchase any products from any corporation or contribute in any way to society, you are part of the problem and a hypocrite.

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babylon system wants you to believe that it is hopeless and pointless to reject war and the big business of murder for profit
In general, very few people actually profit from war. There's this weird angle that a lot of people seem to take nowadays where they think every corporation in the universe vastly increases its wealth every time we kill a million people. That's not true.

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those who stand to profit the most from murder, enviromental degridation and the erosion of human rights want you to believe that such things are not only inevitable and unavoidable but also necessary and natural
War is unavoidable. Sorry. As long as there are nations that invade other countries with hostile intent, it's unavoidable. Keep in mind that I'm speaking of war in general and not of any specific war.

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but INI speak the truth: the best way is peace
Agreed, but it only works if everyone adopts it. Everyone hasn't, so it doesn't work at all.

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fact. rich people raise armies, poor folks dont.
Inasmuch as poor people CAN'T raise armies I agree with you. That isn't to say that none of them would given the opportunity.

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see i can do it too.
Difference is mine make sense. wtf, man? You cut my post in half and added one word. I don't get it.
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Old 10-03-2005, 03:46 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Unless you do not purchase any products from any corporation or contribute in any way to society, you are part of the problem and a hypocrite.
see, this is "all or nothing" thinking, its not logical or reasonable and makes it impossible to accomplish anything. just not tenable.

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As long as there are nations that invade other countries with hostile intent
thats what everyone says. but why is it necessary for nations to invade other countries with hostile intent?
if its true that war is about control of natural resources, and we agreed that poor folks cant raise an army, then hostile invasions of other countries are only necessary to keep the minority rich elite in their positions of power and opulence.

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it only works if everyone adopts it. Everyone hasn't, so it doesn't work at all.
all or nothing again. this is like saying "all disease cant be conquered! therefore all doctors are useless hypocrites!"

working for peace does not mean we are taking on the impossible task of ending all conflict. what it means is working to limit the use of violence as much as possible, becuz we recognize there are other and better methods of conflict resolution.

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wtf, man? You cut my post in half and added one word. I don't get it.
i agree, that was kinda lame and pointless as far as i can tell. you are not helping anybody this way
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Old 10-03-2005, 04:38 PM   #9 (permalink)
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sorry veda..its just that FRODO does it everyother time i post something...and i was pointing out exactly that , that it isn't helping anybody.
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Old 10-04-2005, 06:32 AM   #10 (permalink)
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see, this is "all or nothing" thinking, its not logical or reasonable and makes it impossible to accomplish anything. just not tenable.
You're right. That comment was infused with far too much hyperbole. My apologies.

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thats what everyone says. but why is it necessary for nations to invade other countries with hostile intent?
I don't believe it is. But at the same time I don't think that you can convince 100% of people that that is true, 100% of the time.

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if its true that war is about control of natural resources, and we agreed that poor folks cant raise an army, then hostile invasions of other countries are only necessary to keep the minority rich elite in their positions of power and opulence.
The reasons for war are complicated. Natural resources aside, at least one other motivation for war is for a person who desires power to gain more of it. I don't think you can make such a generalization as "the only reason is to keep the minority rich elite in their positions".

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all or nothing again. this is like saying "all disease cant be conquered! therefore all doctors are useless hypocrites!"
Not at all. The difference with your analogy is that a partial solution (partial cure of disease) is possible. With the scenario we're discussing, unless 100% of the population adopts your solution, then the problem will still exist. There is no partial solution. The problem itself requires everyone to participate in the solution or else the solution doesn't work.

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working for peace does not mean we are taking on the impossible task of ending all conflict. what it means is working to limit the use of violence as much as possible,
The vast majority of society has already achieved this mindset.
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Old 10-05-2005, 10:18 AM   #11 (permalink)
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unless 100% of the population adopts your solution, then the problem will still exist.
what are you saying here? what is "the problem" and what is "my solution"?

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Remember 1939 and planning work for creating an atomic bomb? Realistic? Who would have believed that you could take these tiny things that you couldn't even see called atoms and somehow put them together to make a more powerful explosive than had ever existed? An insane idea? And yet research money was put into that, although nobody had made a miniature atom bomb in a chemistry set in the basement and gone out and blown up the neighbor's garage with it. Yet we have, in actual human experience, clear examples of nonviolent struggle by ordinary people. This is what destroyed the Czarist system in Russia in the February 1917 Revolution; it wasn't the Bolsheviks. It was the workers demonstrating in the streets, the soldiers getting sick of shooting them down, throwing down their guns and walking out to join them.

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The vast majority of society has already achieved this mindset.
i dont think so when even well educated stoners on yahooka who ought to kno better are thoughtlessly repeating pro-war propaganda to me.
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what are you saying here? what is "the problem" and what is "my solution"?
The problem would be war, and the solution would be nonviolence.
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ok, i suggest that you are looking at the "problem" and "solution" in a fundementally weird and biased way.

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The point is, this nonviolent struggle is harmonious with what we crudely call "human nature." Civilian struggles have occurred throughout history. We don't have to carry out vast sweeping changes that take decades or generations before we can eliminate major political violence. In dozens and hundreds of significant conflicts, including international ones, in ignorance and with improvisation, nonviolent struggle has already taken the place of military violence. The only question is, can we improve it and make it more effective? Can we provide the necessary vehicles and stimuli and resources to speed up the changeover? Can civilian struggle be made a realistic choice for ordinary people (who don't really like war anyhow) and for professional soldiers (many of whom hate war because they have seen it first-hand) and for politicians (who often want these kinds of things too)?
i say yes.
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