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Old 10-23-2005, 10:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Neoliberal Globalization according to Subcomandante Marcos of the EZLN

... the capitalism of today is not the same as before, when the rich were content with exploiting the workers in their own countries, but now they are on a path which is called Neoliberal Globalization. This globalization means that they no longer control the workers in one or several countries, but the capitalists are trying to dominate everything all over the world. And the world, or Planet Earth, is also called the "globe", and that is why they say "globalization," or the entire world.

And neoliberalism is the idea that capitalism is free to dominate the entire world, and so tough, you have to resign yourself and conform and not make a fuss, in other words, not rebel. So neoliberalism is like the theory, the plan, of capitalist globalization. And neoliberalism has its economic, political, military and cultural plans. All of those plans have to do with dominating everyone, and they repress or separate anyone who doesn't obey so that his rebellious ideas aren't passed on to others.

Then, in neoliberal globalization, the great capitalists who live in the countries which are powerful, like the United States, want the entire world to be made into a big business where merchandise is produced like a great market. A world market for buying and selling the entire world and for hiding all the exploitation from the world. Then the global capitalists insert themselves everywhere, in all the countries, in order to do their big business, their great exploitation. Then they respect nothing, and they meddle wherever they wish. As if they were conquering other countries. That is why we zapatistas say that neoliberal globalization is a war of conquest of the entire world, a world war, a war being waged by capitalism for global domination. Sometimes that conquest is by armies who invade a country and conquer it by force. But sometimes it is with the economy, in other words, the big capitalists put their money into another country or they lend it money, but on the condition that they obey what they tell them to do. And they also insert their ideas, with the capitalist culture which is the culture of merchandise, of profits, of the market.

Then the one which wages the conquest, capitalism, does as it wants, it destroys and changes what it does not like and eliminates what gets in its way. For example, those who do not produce nor buy nor sell modern merchandise get in their way, or those who rebel against that order. And they despise those who are of no use to them. That is why the indigenous get in the way of neoliberal capitalism, and that is why they despise them and want to eliminate them. And neoliberal capitalism also gets rid of the laws which do not allow them to exploit and to have a lot of profit. They demand that everything can be bought and sold, and, since capitalism has all the money, it buys everything. Capitalism destroys the countries it conquers with neoliberal globalization, but it also wants to adapt everything, to make it over again, but in its own way, a way which benefits capitalism and which doesn't allow anything to get in its way. Then neoliberal globalization, capitalism, destroys what exists in these countries, it destroys their culture, their language, their economic system, their political system, and it also destroys the ways in which those who live in that country relate to each other. So everything that makes a country a country is left destroyed.

Then neoliberal globalization wants to destroy the nations of the world so that only one Nation or country remains, the country of money, of capital. And capitalism wants everything to be as it wants, in its own way, and it doesn't like what is different, and it persecutes it and attacks it, or puts it off in a corner and acts as if it doesn't exist.

Then, in short, the capitalism of global neoliberalism is based on exploitation, plunder, contempt and repression of those who refuse. The same as before, but now globalized, worldwide.

But it is not so easy for neoliberal globalization, because the exploited of each country become discontented, and they will not say well, too bad, instead they rebel. And those who remain and who are in the way resist, and they don't allow themselves to be eliminated. And that is why we see, all over the world, those who are being screwed over making resistances, not putting up with it, in other words, they rebel, and not just in one country but wherever they abound. And so, as there is a neoliberal globalization, there is a globalization of rebellion.

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"In sum, we are an army of dreamers, and therefore invincable. How can we fail to win, with this imagination overturning everything?" -Subcomandante MARCOS
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But it is not so easy for neoliberal globalization, because the exploited of each country become discontented, and they will not say well, too bad, instead they rebel. And those who remain and who are in the way resist, and they don't allow themselves to be eliminated. And that is why we see, all over the world, those who are being screwed over making resistances, not putting up with it, in other words, they rebel, and not just in one country but wherever they abound. And so, as there is a neoliberal globalization, there is a globalization of rebellion.
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Old 11-29-2005, 02:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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interesting read veda


and derexan....WOW..... the fact that you think labels like those are going to get you anywhere or that they still mean anything serioulsy shows you how big of a tool you are.
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and derexan....WOW..... the fact that you think labels like those are going to get you anywhere or that they still mean anything serioulsy shows you how big of a tool you are.
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if it werent for labels, derexan would be too fucking confused. its not his fault.
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Then neoliberal globalization wants to destroy the nations of the world so that only one Nation or country remains, the country of money, of capital. And capitalism wants everything to be as it wants, in its own way, and it doesn't like what is different, and it persecutes it and attacks it, or puts it off in a corner and acts as if it doesn't exist.
This article makes it seem like theirs some board of capitalist fatcats that are plotting to take over the world. I think people who belive that shit are very ignorant of reality. I highly doubt that the majority of industry leaders are out there looking to fuck people over directly. They may be caught up by greed but people do have a conscience and I do not belive their is some sinister neoliberal plot to conquer the world.

Every single buisness class ive ever taken has devoted a large portion of the class to buisness ethics and ethical behaivor is encouraged and taught. Large corporations are very sensitive to coporate ethics these days. They tell us that difficult ethical dilemas are a reality in buisness and they teach way to make a good decision. Belive it or not. I dont dont really care, because that is the reality that i have experiance so far.
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This article makes it seem like theirs some board of capitalist fatcats that are plotting to take over the world. I think people who belive that shit are very ignorant of reality.

and you just proved you are the one ignorant of reality....the Bildeberg club is that exact board of capitalist fatcats....whats that your dubstyle the ignorant king of la la land?
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You have lost all credibility OOTF. Between your scalar em beliefs and the fact that once blamed a group of mystery men for the 8.5 earthquake in asia pretty much proves that your a rambling lunatic.

And while the Bilderberg group meets and discusses an agenda each year, I really doubt the main purpose of that is to devise some malicious way to fuck over everyone on the planet. PLus their meeting are a secret, so how the fuck do you know what goes on there?
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Im not even denying that they are deciding on a stragey at these meetings, all im saying is i dont think they're being malicious about it.

But fuck bringing talk about bilderburg and all those societies into this debate, OOTF and Pitfall have made tons of threads discusing that shit. Lets stick to the topic.
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veda the article you posted is interesting,

but i tend to believe that so much doomsdaying is being a tad sensationalist.

its true that neoliberal foreign policy is expanding around the world....

what do we have to show for it? ill tell you.

we have: the WTO, the World bank, the IMF, and the concept of "most favored nation" trading status.

all of those things are GOOD THINGS.....and let me explain what I mean by good....these liberal institutions enable a GREATER AMOUNT OF SUCCESS AND GROWTH TO BE EXPERIENCED BY ALL......

some people act as if its only some abstact fat cat who is reaping advantages as a result of others getting screwed....such is not the case....rather, creating a liberal trade system forces the whole world into interconnected business transactions.....in the process, many fat cats can actually LOSE their wealth or power.....simply if they can be "out-efficiencied" by industries in another country.

The US used liberal trade policy to help rebuild europe after ww2....it was a strategy that worked great for europe, but by the 1970s so many countries had vast reserves of US dollars that the US had virtually sold its economy hostage to other countries....the US ultimately had to end the policy of fixed international exchange rates....in other words, the policy worked to help europe so much that it began to help them at the expense of the United States.....

What began as the US tryign to help Europe, became Europe rising so fast that the US had to cut down on the help they were giving....(in other words, neoliberal policy worked SO WELL that it did what it intended to do, and MORE)

Monetary policy and international trade agreements are extremely complex and hard to generalize about....but liberalizing trade (NAFTA, CAFTA, the WTO, and Most favoured nation status) are great ideas which are revolutionizing the ways in which nations interact....they eventually lead to an economic "empathy" where some countries will allow a recession ridden state to raise tarifs because to not do so would not only damage the recession country, but in doing so, will have wider reprecussions.

an analogy i like is that its a interesting analogy to M.A.D. with the soviets.... if the whole world is connected in trade and economy, one country is less likely to go nuts and fuck everything up, because they would go down with the ship.....
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You have lost all credibility OOTF. Between your scalar em beliefs and the fact that once blamed a group of mystery men for the 8.5 earthquake in asia pretty much proves that your a rambling lunatic.

And while the Bilderberg group meets and discusses an agenda each year, I really doubt the main purpose of that is to devise some malicious way to fuck over everyone on the planet. PLus their meeting are a secret, so how the fuck do you know what goes on there?

ahahah oh man thats gold....you are ignorant. PERIOD. what you THINK about what i KNOW is irrelevant. like your opinions.

scalar em research is mainstream and is not a figment of beardens imagination. Google it. and the Indian government them selves have publicly stated that the 8.9 quake that let do the 9.2 quake was "wierd" "unnatural" and suspect EM pulse experiments in the Indian ocean being carried out by Japan or the US, as being the catalyst for the 8.9 quake (WHICH WAS NOT WHAT CAUSED THE TSUNAMI, ONLY LED TO IT)


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"Now we will talk to you about how we see what is going on in our Mexico. What we see is our country being governed by neoliberals. So, as we already explained, our leaders are destroying our nation, our Mexican Patria. And the work of these bad leaders is not to look after the well-being of the people, instead they are only concerned with the well-being of the capitalists. For example, they make laws like the Free Trade Agreement, which end up leaving many Mexicans destitute, like campesinos and small producers, because they are "gobbled up" by the big agro-industrial companies. As well as workers and small businesspeople, because they cannot compete with the large transnationals who come in without anybody saying anything to them and even thanking them, and they set their low salaries and their high prices. So some of the economic foundations of our Mexico, which were the countryside and industry and national commerce, are being quite destroyed, and just a bit of rubble - which they are certainly going to sell off - remains.

And these are great disgraces for our Patria. Because food is no longer being produced in our countryside, just what the big capitalists sell, and the good lands are being stolen through trickery and with the help of the politicians. What is happening in the countryside is the same as Porfirismo, but, instead of hacendados, now there are a few foreign businesses which have well and truly screwed the campesino. And, where before there were credits and price protections, now there is just charity...and sometimes not even that.

As for the worker in the city, the factories close, and they are left without work, or they open what are called maquiladoras, which are foreign and which pay a pittance for many hours of work. And then the price of the goods the people need doesn't matter, whether they are expensive or cheap, since there is no money. And if someone was working in a small or midsize business, now they are not, because it was closed, and it was bought by a big transnational. And if someone had a small business, it disappeared as well, or they went to work clandestinely for big businesses which exploit them terribly, and which even put boys and girls to work. And if the worker belonged to his union in order to demand his legal rights, then no, now the same union tells him he will have to put up with his salary being lowered or his hours or his benefits being taken away, because, if not, the business will close and move to another country. And then there is the "microchangarro," which is the government's economic program for putting all the city's workers on street corners selling gum or telephone cards. In other words, absolute economic destruction in the cities as well.

And then what happens is that, with the people's economy being totally screwed in the countryside as well as in the city, then many Mexican men and women have to leave their Patria, Mexican lands, and go to seek work in another country, the United States. And they do not treat them well there, instead they exploit them, persecute them and treat them with contempt and even kill them. Under neoliberalism which is being imposed by the bad governments, the economy has not improved. Quite the opposite, the countryside is in great need, and there is no work in the cities. What is happening is that Mexico is being turned into a place where people are working for the wealth of foreigners, mostly rich gringos, a place you are just born into for a little while, and in another little while you die. That is why we say that Mexico is dominated by the United States.

Now, it is not just that. Neoliberalism has also changed the Mexican political class, the politicians, because they made them into something like employees in a store, who have to do everything possible to sell everything and to sell it very cheap. You have already seen that they changed the laws in order to remove Article 27 from the Constitution so that ejidal and communal lands could be sold. That was Salinas de Gortari, and he and his gangs said that it was for the good of the countryside and the campesino, and that was how they would prosper and live better. Has it been like that? The Mexican countryside is worse than ever and the campesinos more screwed than under Porfirio Diaz. And they also say they are going to privatize - sell to foreigners - the companies held by the State to help the well-being of the people. Because the companies don't work well and they need to be modernized, and it would be better to sell them. But, instead of improving, the social rights which were won in the revolution of 1910 now make one sad...and courageous. And they also said that the borders must be opened so all the foreign capital can enter, that way all the Mexican businesses will be fixed, and things will be made better. But now we see that there are not any national businesses, the foreigners gobbled them all up, and the things that are sold are worse than the those that were made in Mexico... "
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Kosh, you make good points, but they are intermingled with far left crazy talk....im just gonna adress the more moderate and theoretical parts of your shtick because its interesting to observe....

"And going back to company 'A'...when it was regualated and government owned, it may have been inefficient, but it employed three times as many people. In the free market, company 'A' now works primarilly for bankers who reside on wall street, and the profits generated by that company are effectivly a form of 'global taxation', and the companies themselves along with the employee's can be traded ....not in the interests of the company,"

its true that people are more subservient to a central organization....but to understand why that is good and important, you have to appreciate the fact that once the other countries join, they become a part of that organization, they are not being "subjected" to anything, rather, they have joined a global coalition....suddenl y out of the anarchy of international relations we have liberal institutions, groups that govern together only by mutual agreement and mutual benefit....

you both speak of change, and forcing them to abandon their way of life....but having someone stay in business at a rate thats way behind the times is not good for them, or for anyone else....saying that they need to hold on to old methods of production to keep their heritage is underestimating the ability of capitalism to support a VARIETY of political and governmental regimes....

the things they are "forced" to adopt in these agreements are equal tarifs and fair trade agreements....they are not forced to adopt these, these are the REASONS why they decide to join....

kosh said in the short run it creates jobs, which it does....but actually, its a much more farsighted and sustainable approach, with the ability to endure and adapt and COMPETE then the way that the country was before....
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uh huh, its nothing personal. just business.
but people really do get screwed, many indigenous people have been killed and terrorized and displaced, and many farmers and city people have also suffered as a result, and so i reject that kind of business
and i call on all my brothers and sisters to reject that kind of business
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So country 'A' is encouraged to de-regualate its key infrastructural assets and leave them to the whims of free market competition.
Dude, a free market economy does not operate on whims. Deregulating trade allows a market to balance and correct itself. Economies arnt random, things happen accoring to economic principals and laws.

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J-wonder, I suggest you do some more research on pure free market economics

kosh man, capitalism can be any number of things, it doesn't have to be, and in fact, in nearly every case in the real world IS NOT pure free market economics....regulat ion is at the heart of the system.

but now you'll spout something completely off topic like 'oh but the good ole folks at halliburton and wal mart are controlling the regulation too!! its all a scam'....

i dont know what to say to that...sometimes i dont think u even realize what you do.
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kosh man, capitalism can be any number of things, it doesn't have to be, and in fact, in nearly every case in the real world IS NOT pure free market economics....regulat ion is at the heart of the system.
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i dont think so veda,

one can be quick to say, "oh they really don't give a shit about any individual person, just the system".

But the whole point of having a good system, is to provide for the people....
the only way to provide for people in the real world is to assist those people to assist themselves...a common proverb (give a man a fish, teach him to fish,etc)....helping people by heaping money at them is stagnant, and it is much less predictable than the other option which is making societies more flexible....when the money runs out, who will provide for these wards of the state....??? no one, and they will be screwed much worse.

which is better .... to have 18% unemployment and 3 high paying industies, or losing one of those industries to competition from abroad, while quadrupling the exports of the other 2, reducing unemployment to 10%.

some of the ppl in the lost industry may lose their jobs (which is why its a tough issue politically to liberalize trade), 10x as many might start new jobs..

which is better....neoliberal s soundly believe its the latter.
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