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Old 11-18-2008, 04:13 AM   #81 (permalink)
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I always view KC's stuff as somewhat experimental, lots of pheno variation, I think you're seeing some of that. As ps said, maybe some asian sat....not exactly know for it's stability....all speculation tho.
The hope, for most I suppose, is to find a keeper. So goals should be delayed, as you need to wait for the rise of the clones.
Your grow is looking pretty impressive btw; props.
Cooltube looks great, glad it arrived. watts?
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:51 PM   #82 (permalink)
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I always view KC's stuff as somewhat experimental, lots of pheno variation, I think you're seeing some of that. As ps said, maybe some asian sat....not exactly know for it's stability....all speculation tho......


Cooltube looks great, glad it arrived. watts?
Hiya man.

I think KC`s NL does have a lot of pheno variety, the smell and taste varies a lot from plant to plant.

Sometimes they do a sativa like thing... they`re getting nice and fat then...they suddenly show new growth.
It doesn`t help much as different parts of the plant end up in different stages of maturity.

KC`s Mango was much less of a handful although it did tend to go a little hermie, apart from that I`d recommend it.
Not a single banana seen on the NLs yet so that`s something in it`s favour..

Cooltube is running 600w and it`s a lot cooler than my regular 400w. I`d give it the thumbs up apart from not being wired up right on delivery. That was pretty easy to sort out but would have been dangerous if I hadn`t noticed.

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i think they also grow faster in rockwool (more roots)
Yeah SAF said something about getting more air to the roots, I think there`s something in what he says.
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Old 11-18-2008, 10:43 PM   #83 (permalink)
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Old 11-18-2008, 11:50 PM   #84 (permalink)
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Cooltube is running 600w and it`s a lot cooler than my regular 400w.
thats very interesting to know, because usually people have heat issues with 600 watters. This baby is gonna be quite handy when summer comes.

How close can u put it to the canopy? I reckon even 8".

Does it spread the light evenly FG?
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Old 11-20-2008, 05:48 PM   #85 (permalink)
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How close can u put it to the canopy? I reckon even 8".

Does it spread the light evenly FG?
It does spread the light very evenly, especially considering it`s so compact.


I`ll have to get some pics up but I think the ladies may be a bit stressed although this could be because-

A: Maybe it`s too hot. I`m not using a thermometer but it`s gotta be hotter because I`ve got the 400 watter running as well! It doesn`t feel too hot though, I`m sure I`ve had higher average temps during summer before. I need to detatch the ballast from the 400w and mount it outside the cab, that will lower a few degrees.

B: The light is too intense. I`ve now got 1000w total shining on a 1.6x.8m area with 1.6m headroom. That`s quite a lot.

C: The plants- these NL specials are a bit crazy, they seem to show evidence of every type going. It`s a bit hard to keep track of everything sometimes.

D: Before I changed the bulb in the 400w I think the old bulb was degrading.

E: Some other factor.


Aside- the cooltube is running a "600w Power Plant Super HPS Lamp" and I`ve got a Phillips "400 watt Son-T Agro HPS Lamp" in the other. The Phillips is noticeably bluer, you can easily see the difference in spectrum.


What I need to do is flower these babies out and select a keeper, then it`ll be easier to draw up a plan.

Looking forward to working with something a bit more stable , however I`ve made my mind up to keep at least one from the NL`s as it`s been a long road so far and I want something from it.


Any way new jeans are on the horizon .


Give me a while and I`ll see how close I can get the shade to the canopy, I suspect the issue may be light intensity not temp. I`m running about 2` atm and there`s zero evidence of burning. I`m feeling my way in as it were.

Coolshade is pretty good, just check the wiring folks....


I ramble..
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2' and it's burning? I guess the intensity of the lamp can't be totally overcome by the air rushing through the tube, that's good to know.

Can't wait to see the results of all this. Should be awesome!
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Old 11-20-2008, 07:12 PM   #87 (permalink)
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They ain`t burning- just showing some growth like they might be a tad stressed- should be able to get some pics tomorrow...
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Think they're maybe just a bit shocked by the new lumens? We tend to see a bit of sagginess going from CFLs to HPS for a day or two.

Does it feel like a lot of radiant heat is building up beneath the cooltube?
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:59 PM   #89 (permalink)
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B: The light is too intense. I`ve now got 1000w total shining on a 1.6x.8m area with 1.6m headroom. That`s quite a lot.
that is quite a bit actually, but maybe u can get away with it (its winter). Imo the height is mostly the problem, not the area. But with good ventilation, maybe u can get away with it.

I would definatly get a thermometer in there though and check temps (especially at cannopy level) and also right at the end of the reflector but with the theromometer shaded this time.

I m sure you ll figure it out FG.

Have u considered making another flower box to put the 400W in there? Maybe the 600 + 400 in such a small area is overkill. You could be more efficient with another grow box.

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Oh yeah, a second grow area. More plants, more strains.
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Pics.

The light is just under 2 feet away from the canopy and they`re not burning or dehydrating.

However, see the top growth looking a bit weird? There are proper buds forming below but the top growth is silly stalkiness without much purpose. Also see the leaves without serrations?

Probably just genetic but I thought it might have something to do with excess lumens.

What does everyone else think?

Yeah Peace & Dan, a second taller space (maybe for sativas) with the 400 watter might be a good idea.
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If it is a lumen issue it is pheno/genetic-related, as that light setup should be just fine for most indoor hybrids. Can't hurt to try out some more genetics so see if it is an issue with your box or just those particular beans.

Seen the occasional hempy pheno pop up in things that have odd genetics in them, and they do sometimes respond poorly where they receive the most direct lighting. But otherwise it does look a lot like an environmental stress issue, whether it is a lightleak or heat affecting the tops of the plants.
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they look good FG

Check the temp at the top of the plants to be sure.
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If it is a lumen issue it is pheno/genetic-related, as that light setup should be just fine for most indoor hybrids. Can't hurt to try out some more genetics so see if it is an issue with your box or just those particular beans.

Seen the occasional hempy pheno pop up in things that have odd genetics in them, and they do sometimes respond poorly where they receive the most direct lighting. But otherwise it does look a lot like an environmental stress issue, whether it is a lightleak or heat affecting the tops of the plants.
As always you bring insight. I think it is related to hempy genes shown up by high lumens. I`m sure there`s no light leak. Your input is valued brother.

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What kind of thermometer are you using? Just me being a skinflint but I`m sure I can source something cheaper than what`s on offer at the hydro store.
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looks like genetics, like maybe crossed with basil, or oregano by the looks.
these things tend to work themselves out.
all these light switches you guys do confuses me a tad, i think in outdoor terms where lumens build up then fall away, out of season weather will set an outdoor plant back so the same should follow.
but as I said b4, all living things adapt. if it dont kill ya it makes you stronger.
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What kind of thermometer are you using? Just me being a skinflint but I`m sure I can source something cheaper than what`s on offer at the hydro store.
Hydroponics digital thermometers & hygrometers

10 quid but worth every penny. You can place the external probe/cord on your cannopy and the actual thermometer on a corner of your room (plant level) or right at the edge of your reflector (but no light hitting it) and shaded. This way you ll know the actual cannopy temp and the "under the shade" temp of your room. Plus it gives u RH% levels.

All that for a tener

I do agree with the rest, it must be genes related.

Nothing to worry about imo.
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...However, see the top growth looking a bit weird? There are proper buds forming below but the top growth is silly stalkiness without much purpose. Also see the leaves without serrations?...
The Lord hath had the exact same occurrence this past summer. I'll dig around and see if I took photos. The broccoli lookin' madness and the round spinach-like leaves... that could have been taken in my own groweth room. The likeness is amazing. I also picked up a few rams-horn shaped leaves, but that might have been unrelated?

The strain was Ceres Fruity Thai (mmmm... the Lord doth loveth his Fruity Thai,) and I believe it was brought on by either:

1) High temps in the Holy Groweth room. I was running 1,000W HPS, and we had a hot hot summer. Temps in the Groweth room went into the high 90's consistently, and even over 100 for a few days.

or

2) The plants were well into 12/12 flowering, and because of the heat, I needed to switch from lamp on during daylight hours to lamp on at night. I did the switch gradually, with a schedule of 13 on, 11 off until I had it turned around. I don't know if this might have caused the stress?

The plants recovered, but the harvest was light. They eventually went back to creating normal dopeth looking leaves, but they started veg'ing again on top of the colas instead of continuing to bloom. They were over 6' tall by this point and brushing the lamp, so I cut 'em down and harvested what I could.

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Hehe KC brains oregano-broccoli special indeed.

That thermometer/hygrometer does look cool for a tenner Peace seeker.
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shows indoor/outdoor temps and min/max during the last 24hrs (very important)
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that is a nice little job indeed for that price.. i think a similar meter runs about $25-30 around here. those are perfect when you're in the process of dialing in a room & for noting how your night temps fluctuate during the different seasons.

how are the clones on the other side lookin FG? you gonna run another batch or try something new?
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