YaHooka Forums  

Go Back   YaHooka Forums > Growing The Good Herb > The Sacred Scrolls
Home Register FAQ Social Groups Links Mark Forums Read

The Sacred Scrolls Historic Growing The Good Herb Content - Threads from the original Growing The Good Herb Forum, please search these before posting questions elsewhere. Threads can be reactivated by contacting a moderator.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-14-2009, 09:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
Old School
 
smokinrav's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 49
Thanks: 4
Thanked 32 Times in 16 Posts
LST Supercropping the smokinrav way

Actually this was pioneered in the pot growing message board world (as far as I know) by a grower going by Delta 9420 at the old Hempcultivatiion in 1999, who definatley named it LST or Low Stress Training. But I've tweaked it enough in the last ten years that I'll call it my own even if the principle is the same.

FWIW, I absolutely loath the supercropping thread of mine from the Overgrow FAQ that has spread all over the net like a plague. I do not hurt my plants any longer! If Yahooka has that one archived, please replace it with this or at least link to this thread so people can see how I now recommend LST Supercropping. I wrote that old supercropping thread in 2000 when i was just a newb at this.

Below is a female clone about three weeks old. She is tied over so her top is below a 90 degree angle, lower than the nodes on her main stem. The stem is not split or cracked, though you can see some slight stress where she is most bent over.

Tieing her over like this will begin a process that will spread a hormone called auxins to all the branching on the plant. Normally auxins accumulate in the very top of the plant, and are responsible for directing cannabis into the tall conical shape she grows into in nature. This shape isn't great for us indoor growers who use pathetically small horticultural lights (compared to the sun) and need to keep the plants green and photosynthesizing leaves in the relatively small sweet spot our lights provide us for maxium growth.

This technique is ideal for growers using 400 watt HIDs and under and fluoros, though will do just wonderful with any sized light.
Attached Images
 
smokinrav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2009, 09:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
Old School
 
smokinrav's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 49
Thanks: 4
Thanked 32 Times in 16 Posts
On the right side of the first pic, you can see the top is already trying to resume its dominant growth pattern, but we'll defeat that in a little over a week.

The tie on the top will be moved up slightly so the plant can be bent down to its below 90 degree angle. The base tie will pretty much stay where it is during the entire plants lifetime, but it does need to have tension adjusted occasionally to manipulate the top, as you'll see.

In the bottom pic the planter has been reversed for better viewing. The top has been pulled more horizontal to continue our LST
Attached Images
  
smokinrav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2009, 09:54 AM   #3 (permalink)
Old School
 
smokinrav's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 49
Thanks: 4
Thanked 32 Times in 16 Posts
A day or two later the top has grown over her nodes and must be readjusted. Once again, remove the top tie, pull the base tie tighter so the top stands up (second pic) and then tie the top back down below its nodes. You'll have to move the top tie up a node or two every pulldown.

Notice in pic 2 the branch coming nearly out of the soil and how fast it's caught up to the other growth on the plant? That is a reaction to the LST and it will easily be able to be kept to harvest.
Attached Images
   
smokinrav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2009, 09:59 AM   #4 (permalink)
Old School
 
smokinrav's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 49
Thanks: 4
Thanked 32 Times in 16 Posts
Same as before when the top grows over her nodes, which you can see are now all being affected by the LST. Very easy to tie her top down now.

Untie. Pull. Retie.
Attached Images
   
smokinrav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2009, 10:03 AM   #5 (permalink)
Old School
 
smokinrav's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 49
Thanks: 4
Thanked 32 Times in 16 Posts
And finally training nears the end. In the top pic a few days later, the branching has clearly outpaced the top at vertical growth.

The bottom pic is maybe a week after that and all branches are growing uniformly now and will until harvest, with minor training tweaks to keep the tops even along the way.

Good luck Yahookans, hope this helps someone.
Attached Images
  
smokinrav is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to smokinrav For This Useful Post:
GeNeRaL-sHerMaN (10-14-2010), MannyBoy (09-16-2009), Pharm Girl (05-20-2009), yo. (07-25-2010)
Old 05-14-2009, 10:28 AM   #6 (permalink)
Bush Regenerator
 
Cerebro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: White Plume Mountain
Posts: 3,626
Thanks: 480
Thanked 680 Times in 506 Posts
thanks so much smokinrav
that's a great guide
could you please explain a bit about the history of supercropping?
it gets asked about from time to time
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity View Post
Whatever...I still think we're aliens morphed with apes.
Cerebro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2009, 11:11 AM   #7 (permalink)
Old School
 
smokinrav's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 49
Thanks: 4
Thanked 32 Times in 16 Posts
Well, I only know how it applies to LST and regular supercropping. There are a ton of variations out there, mostly varied in the way people tie the plants down. The principle of the auxins at work never changes: force the plant to think the top has been damaged (or intentionally damage it) while keeping the top, the most mature growing tip on the plant, intact for harvest.

I learned of the technique in the late 90's when High Times did an feature article by a grower named NYPD who used the 'breaking the hurd' technique, the one that is what my OG FAQ was based on. I'll never understand why my LST FAQ didn't make it out. Anyway, so that (High Times) is probably where a lot of the lore springs from. I started doing NYPD Supercropping in 1999 and learned about LST from Delta in 2000 or 2001

Let me see if I can find the threads over at Gardens Cure. I'm pretty sure they still exist with our original discussions still intact. No laughing at how dumb I was!

I believe this is Delta's first big how to thread on the technique

http://www.gardenscure.com/420/train...t-example.html
smokinrav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2009, 04:37 PM   #8 (permalink)
Derp?
 
fenderbender's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: new jersey
Posts: 3,607
Thanks: 3,466
Thanked 929 Times in 581 Posts
have you sexed that plant yet?

most lst jobs i keep reading about end up going male... too much stress?
__________________
Imagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try

Quote:
Originally Posted by John F. Kerry View Post
... so im sorry to those of u who recognize my openmindedness and moderation on many issues....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xil View Post
had a friend wind up hospitalized because he plugged and wasnt careful.
<3
fenderbender is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2009, 05:07 PM   #9 (permalink)
Yahookan
 
farmergiles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: In My Fire Engine
Posts: 7,134
Thanks: 2,040
Thanked 3,167 Times in 2,191 Posts
Marvellous thread smokinrav. Lurvely pics.

@ Fenderbender- you can train the living daylights out of a plant without risk, sex is determined before you`d be training a plant.

Stress may cause hermaphrodism, but I`ve never heard of LST being the cause (hence the name low stress training).
__________________
Cultivate a stoic calmness
Fuck the Monkeys
farmergiles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2009, 05:15 PM   #10 (permalink)
Old School
 
smokinrav's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 49
Thanks: 4
Thanked 32 Times in 16 Posts
Thanks Farmergiles

Quote:
Originally Posted by fenderbender View Post
have you sexed that plant yet?

most lst jobs i keep reading about end up going male... too much stress?

The plant pictured was female clone.

No training technique will affect sexing as far as I've ever seen, including topping, which is about as stressful as you can get.
smokinrav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2009, 08:59 PM   #11 (permalink)
bougeman
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 5,223
Thanks: 431
Thanked 1,246 Times in 892 Posts
I use LST all the time. The curvature of your stem is very familiar looking. I have screws drilled all around my pots also. I use coated wire to tie down my plant. I just make loops, easier removal imo.
stoneric is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2009, 06:14 AM   #12 (permalink)
Old School
 
seaflo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 191
Thanks: 100
Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts
VELCRO PLANT TIES - VEL594
I use velcro garden ties and they are used for a 1000 different things. I remember the OG post; glad to see this one here. I wish I had enough time and space to do LST with every plant. Thanks Smokin.
__________________
FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE.
seaflo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2009, 10:26 AM   #13 (permalink)
Looking for a Bone!
 
Pharm Girl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,204
Blog Entries: 13
Thanks: 2,554
Thanked 1,009 Times in 783 Posts
smokin......there seems to be a snag in the system that prevents you from posting!

maybe it's fixed.....rest assured it has been reported and the dieties are working on fixing it~

keep on posting............. ..
__________________
.....The Time has Come to 'Walk the Talk'.....~



......A message for ALL from the Deer Tribe...~


It is a great journey —
but you must do the walking
and have the willingness to change
and make the leap into
the next level of human evolution.

Become an inquisitive free thinking
individual that takes
responsibility for your life
and the spiritual accountability to live life to the fullest.






Fuck the Monkeys
Pharm Girl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2009, 11:26 AM   #14 (permalink)
Old School
 
smokinrav's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 49
Thanks: 4
Thanked 32 Times in 16 Posts
Testing.....

I'm here

I've been using pipe cleaners for the last few years and really like them. You can get 100 12"ers at the dollar store.
smokinrav is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:33 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Inactive Reminders By Icora Web Design