Suboxone

adventure · 12-12-2011, 10:24 AM

So as many of you know I have been battling with opiate addiction. I have been on Opana for about 4 months and a ton of percs before that. I and going to try Suboxone. Does anyone have any experience with this. I have read a lot about it... I just don't want to get addicted to this as well, but I can't got go into detox. The whole job thing gets in the way. and insight would be appreciated. If feels good just typing that out thanks guys.

deadhead94 · 12-12-2011, 10:34 AM

Is the Opana a legit script or is it for fun and bought illegally?

adventure · 12-12-2011, 10:35 AM

its legit.

deadhead94 · 12-12-2011, 10:39 AM

Then your doctor should be stepping your doses down. Have you tried that?

Or is your doctor an idiot and let it get out of control?

adventure · 12-12-2011, 10:50 AM

Its my fault, not his.

fenderbender · 12-12-2011, 12:48 PM

i know absolutely nothing about Opana, but i thought suboxone was more of a detox drug and not a maintenance one.

What is your plan of action once you stop withdrawing adventure?

profit · 12-12-2011, 01:49 PM

i have spent over a year of my life on suboxone. ask away.

eldizle · 12-12-2011, 05:08 PM

lost three years to being on subs when i should have just manned up and quit methadone when i got out of jail.

way easy to make it "another year" on suboxone.

i'd personally stay away unless you're in an inpatient situation, and just taper off the opana without starting up another habit

just my opinion, i'll talk more later.

Terry · 12-12-2011, 05:11 PM

Subs were more addictive and harmful than the substances I was using before it, imo.

Withdrawal from Suboxone was one of the worst experiences of my life. But I didn't taper, if you did taper off it I'm sure it would be better.

eldizle · 12-12-2011, 05:25 PM

i'm still trying to get down from sub mg levels, still wake up sneezing, with tears running down my face.

subs blow.

really a better idea to taper from the opana. subs are almost impossible to "finally kick" unless you have some time to devote to being sick as a dog. i've spent months getting to .2-.3mg, to a mg, and i still feel like shit if i miss a couple scheduled doses.

subs won't do anything you can't get with the opana.

talk with your doc about a tapering schedule. probably much wiser.

profit · 12-12-2011, 09:10 PM

how long were you on it terry?
i was on it for about 1.5 years and i tapered off to where i was eating small small chunks of a 2 mg pill. it was still one of the most miserable experiences ever.

suboxone is not fun and im pretty sure it gave me stomach ulcers or some kind of stomach condition. it really messed with my appetite and my gut. sigh.

and eldizile, 3 years? jesus christ man. that is painful to think about. they really do take some time to stop everything and kick for good which i did in fall-winter 2010. and it took the entire two seasons.

a sub taper is going to be better than an opana taper. but long term sub use is a huge mistake.
get 3-5 8mg pills and lay them out with it in mind that bupe half life is 36 hours. (this is why the w/d is ungodly.) you can 'easily' get off eating small chunks of the pill at intervals of necessity.

eldizle · 12-13-2011, 05:53 AM

power to ya, man. i wish i could take a week or two from work to devote to getting off once and for all, but as it is I just have to take being a sweaty fuck most of the day in tow.

I use the films, an 8mg lasts about half a month, i lay them inside my lower lip and gum-not as much saliva.

The films are much easier to divide, and give much better bioavailability, which in all actuality probably makes it harder to kick. but whateva-they taste much better.

In the home stretch, just anxious to get it done. had several false starts-tried some herbals to help get me over the humps, :shrugs:

all in good time, i suppose.

adventure · 12-13-2011, 06:19 AM

Im not sure what I will do for the pain once i am off the sub. I took 8mg yesterday, I wasnt in "full blown" withdrawals yet, but it was getting pretty uncomfortable. My last opiate was Saturday at 3pm Sunday I took 250mg of tramadol, I was ok all day, not great but ok. I did not really sleep Sunday night. Monday I took 150mg of tramadol in the am. I was still not going through withdrawals. I was at the doctors at 330pm Monday and was achy and my stomach was uncomfortable. Took the 4mg of sub at 630, I felt a little better, took another at 8:30 felt good enough to fall asleep. I woke up feeling ok tears were pouring. talked to the doctor they told me to take another 8 to 12 today. and then try 8 tomorrow. and cut it down by 1/2 a mg till I'm off.

deadhead94 · 12-13-2011, 07:01 AM

If you have pain, why do you want off?

Addiction is going to happen in the long term management of moderate or severe pain. It is an effect of the drug that can't really be moderated over along period of time.

adventure · 12-13-2011, 07:13 AM

because I love opiates, fucking love them and that is not good. I need to try a non narcotic approach for a while. I was too willing to just us pills to fix my pain. I just started yoga, and my doctor ok me to start running again. No more then 3 miles at first. That is going to be hard to do... once I hit mile 3 I will not want to stop, but I will have to because the other options are no good.

Mikey · 12-13-2011, 07:20 AM

Hey I don't have any real advice or words of wisdom to give you, but I do want to say that I am here for you as is the rest of Yahooka I'm sure.

Be strong and be safe brother.

adventure · 12-13-2011, 07:42 AM

Thanks Mikey, I know its only the internet put it really does mean a lot. and the same goes for you. We are in this together!

headsrnice · 12-13-2011, 12:34 PM

Hey man, I know how terrible addiction can be. Had a really bad oxy and xanax addiction that went on for years. Please be careful with the suboxone. I've lost a couple friends to the drug. Personally I dislike it due to the fact that it really gave me some serious stomach problems. Almost felt like have a continuous ulcer. I really hope that you find what works for you. We're all behind you man!

Myself, getting exercise while going through the withdrawls was though to talk myself into doing, but from personal experience it can really help if only to get some endorphines flowing.

adventure · 12-13-2011, 01:10 PM

Was it the Sub that did them in or was it the amount of opiate they did to get over the naxolene?

headsrnice · 12-13-2011, 01:30 PM

It was the sub's with one of them the other was due to mixing it with a benzo.. never a good idea.

12-12-2011, 10:24 AM	#1 (permalink)
adventure Adventure its good Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 4,742 Thanks: 1,852 Thanked 1,467 Times in 1,093 Posts	Suboxone So as many of you know I have been battling with opiate addiction. I have been on Opana for about 4 months and a ton of percs before that. I and going to try Suboxone. Does anyone have any experience with this. I have read a lot about it... I just don't want to get addicted to this as well, but I can't got go into detox. The whole job thing gets in the way. and insight would be appreciated. If feels good just typing that out thanks guys. __________________ Coming Full Range

12-12-2011, 10:35 AM	#3 (permalink)
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12-12-2011, 10:50 AM	#5 (permalink)
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12-12-2011, 01:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
profit restore the republic Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,255 Thanks: 818 Thanked 357 Times in 237 Posts	i have spent over a year of my life on suboxone. ask away. __________________ Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic? Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But conscience asks the question - is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it because it is right. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. follow https://twitter.com/#!/curtiswm - sub http://www.youtube.com/user/66sicksfishstix

12-12-2011, 05:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
Terry Hello Darkness Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Moscow, Idaho Posts: 8,539 Thanks: 2,130 Thanked 2,392 Times in 1,189 Posts	Subs were more addictive and harmful than the substances I was using before it, imo. Withdrawal from Suboxone was one of the worst experiences of my life. But I didn't taper, if you did taper off it I'm sure it would be better. __________________ I don't know but I've been told, If you never die you'll never grow old

12-12-2011, 05:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
eldizle Love. Share it. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Inside a Microgram Scale Posts: 5,207 Thanks: 978 Thanked 591 Times in 423 Posts	lost three years to being on subs when i should have just manned up and quit methadone when i got out of jail. way easy to make it "another year" on suboxone. i'd personally stay away unless you're in an inpatient situation, and just taper off the opana without starting up another habit just my opinion, i'll talk more later.

12-12-2011, 05:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
eldizle Love. Share it. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Inside a Microgram Scale Posts: 5,207 Thanks: 978 Thanked 591 Times in 423 Posts	i'm still trying to get down from sub mg levels, still wake up sneezing, with tears running down my face. subs blow. really a better idea to taper from the opana. subs are almost impossible to "finally kick" unless you have some time to devote to being sick as a dog. i've spent months getting to .2-.3mg, to a mg, and i still feel like shit if i miss a couple scheduled doses. subs won't do anything you can't get with the opana. talk with your doc about a tapering schedule. probably much wiser.

12-12-2011, 09:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
profit restore the republic Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,255 Thanks: 818 Thanked 357 Times in 237 Posts	how long were you on it terry? i was on it for about 1.5 years and i tapered off to where i was eating small small chunks of a 2 mg pill. it was still one of the most miserable experiences ever. suboxone is not fun and im pretty sure it gave me stomach ulcers or some kind of stomach condition. it really messed with my appetite and my gut. sigh. and eldizile, 3 years? jesus christ man. that is painful to think about. they really do take some time to stop everything and kick for good which i did in fall-winter 2010. and it took the entire two seasons. a sub taper is going to be better than an opana taper. but long term sub use is a huge mistake. get 3-5 8mg pills and lay them out with it in mind that bupe half life is 36 hours. (this is why the w/d is ungodly.) you can 'easily' get off eating small chunks of the pill at intervals of necessity. __________________ Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic? Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But conscience asks the question - is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it because it is right. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. follow https://twitter.com/#!/curtiswm - sub http://www.youtube.com/user/66sicksfishstix

12-13-2011, 05:53 AM	#12 (permalink)
eldizle Love. Share it. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Inside a Microgram Scale Posts: 5,207 Thanks: 978 Thanked 591 Times in 423 Posts	power to ya, man. i wish i could take a week or two from work to devote to getting off once and for all, but as it is I just have to take being a sweaty fuck most of the day in tow. I use the films, an 8mg lasts about half a month, i lay them inside my lower lip and gum-not as much saliva. The films are much easier to divide, and give much better bioavailability, which in all actuality probably makes it harder to kick. but whateva-they taste much better. In the home stretch, just anxious to get it done. had several false starts-tried some herbals to help get me over the humps, :shrugs: all in good time, i suppose.

12-13-2011, 06:19 AM	#13 (permalink)
adventure Adventure its good Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 4,742 Thanks: 1,852 Thanked 1,467 Times in 1,093 Posts	Im not sure what I will do for the pain once i am off the sub. I took 8mg yesterday, I wasnt in "full blown" withdrawals yet, but it was getting pretty uncomfortable. My last opiate was Saturday at 3pm Sunday I took 250mg of tramadol, I was ok all day, not great but ok. I did not really sleep Sunday night. Monday I took 150mg of tramadol in the am. I was still not going through withdrawals. I was at the doctors at 330pm Monday and was achy and my stomach was uncomfortable. Took the 4mg of sub at 630, I felt a little better, took another at 8:30 felt good enough to fall asleep. I woke up feeling ok tears were pouring. talked to the doctor they told me to take another 8 to 12 today. and then try 8 tomorrow. and cut it down by 1/2 a mg till I'm off. __________________ Coming Full Range

12-13-2011, 07:13 AM	#15 (permalink)
adventure Adventure its good Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 4,742 Thanks: 1,852 Thanked 1,467 Times in 1,093 Posts	because I love opiates, fucking love them and that is not good. I need to try a non narcotic approach for a while. I was too willing to just us pills to fix my pain. I just started yoga, and my doctor ok me to start running again. No more then 3 miles at first. That is going to be hard to do... once I hit mile 3 I will not want to stop, but I will have to because the other options are no good. __________________ Coming Full Range

12-13-2011, 07:20 AM	#16 (permalink)
Mikey Seasoned YaHookan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: gulf islands bc Posts: 7,443 Thanks: 1,144 Thanked 2,246 Times in 1,475 Posts	Hey I don't have any real advice or words of wisdom to give you, but I do want to say that I am here for you as is the rest of Yahooka I'm sure. Be strong and be safe brother. __________________ RIP Gov

12-13-2011, 07:42 AM	#17 (permalink)
adventure Adventure its good Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 4,742 Thanks: 1,852 Thanked 1,467 Times in 1,093 Posts	Thanks Mikey, I know its only the internet put it really does mean a lot. and the same goes for you. We are in this together! __________________ Coming Full Range

12-13-2011, 12:34 PM	#18 (permalink)
headsrnice YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 323 Thanks: 274 Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts	Hey man, I know how terrible addiction can be. Had a really bad oxy and xanax addiction that went on for years. Please be careful with the suboxone. I've lost a couple friends to the drug. Personally I dislike it due to the fact that it really gave me some serious stomach problems. Almost felt like have a continuous ulcer. I really hope that you find what works for you. We're all behind you man! Myself, getting exercise while going through the withdrawls was though to talk myself into doing, but from personal experience it can really help if only to get some endorphines flowing.

12-13-2011, 01:10 PM	#19 (permalink)
adventure Adventure its good Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 4,742 Thanks: 1,852 Thanked 1,467 Times in 1,093 Posts	Was it the Sub that did them in or was it the amount of opiate they did to get over the naxolene? __________________ Coming Full Range

12-13-2011, 01:30 PM	#20 (permalink)
headsrnice YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 323 Thanks: 274 Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts	It was the sub's with one of them the other was due to mixing it with a benzo.. never a good idea.

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