Not afraid to say it, I'm flip floppin - Page 2

Grieves · 10-26-2010, 12:59 AM

dur, that happens in every city that has ever won a championship, until they win another one...the cowboys have won a grip, so their fans expect/demand more...this all sounds like whining to me...

If you want a bandwagon to jump on, jump on the NY Giants or Jets' because in the coming weeks the hype around those teams is going to reach critical mass...

Snowmayne · 10-26-2010, 01:06 AM

thats the thing, this aint no bandwagon jumping. I've stuck by Dallas teams my whole life, never even pulled for a college team outside of Tx.

Dallas is no longer my home and hasn't been for 7+ years, what am I forced to stick with them my whole lift cause I grew up there?

Grieves · 10-26-2010, 01:15 AM

I will always be a Seahawks fan, regardless of what other teams I choose to follow, the Seahawks will always be number one, and they haven't ever won a championship,... I still wear my tatupu jersey every sunday, because I know that when I do, I'm not just watching for this week but to remember of all the weeks before it, the honor, the loyalty, the heartache(often), the moments of joy(not so often)...It takes me back to the good days rooting for the Hawks, and it is a feeling that I can't duplicate cheering for anyone else...

Snowmayne · 10-26-2010, 01:17 AM

thats true, and I'm not saying I'd never pull for the boys again, cause deep down I know I will, I love my city where I grew up, maybe this is more about finding a second team for a while, so I can express my anger for our current situations.

Grieves · 10-26-2010, 01:19 AM

I hear that, I've long claimed the niners and titans as and thens...

Snowmayne · 10-26-2010, 03:13 AM

lol just saw the loss, 1-5 now. Romo out.

stoneric · 10-26-2010, 01:11 PM

You can't switch teams otherwise you had no team in the first place.

Being · 10-26-2010, 03:57 PM

packers until the day i die.

period.

Lloydy · 10-26-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowmayne

thats the thing, this aint no bandwagon jumping. I've stuck by Dallas teams my whole life, never even pulled for a college team outside of Tx.

Dallas is no longer my home and hasn't been for 7+ years, what am I forced to stick with them my whole lift cause I grew up there?

Because otherwise you're nothing but a glory supporting scumbag.

Man in Black · 10-26-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowmayne

every year since the 90s its been the same, complete bullshit.

try the 1960's ever since Tom Landry

stoneric · 10-26-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Being

packers until the day i die.

period.

My first thanks.

Bearsy · 10-26-2010, 05:43 PM

I'm a Bills fan for life; 0-16 or 16-0.

Lloydy · 10-30-2010, 05:16 PM

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At 1.30 this afternoon, about one million people in Tyne and Wear and an additional million more from the North-East's diaspora, will watch and listen to what they consider to be the most important match of the season. Yet, to the rest of the watching world, the outcome will be observed with indifference.

The Tyne-Wear derby may be perceived by the uninitiated as parochial and unsophisticated, but like the world's greatest derbies it has a historical conflict as its bedrock. And if anything, as a basis for a rivalry, the Sunderland-Newcastle derby is the most legitimate conflict anywhere.

Some of the great derbies are based on issues that are trite and irrational. The historical class difference, for example, between the Milan clubs - Milan traditionally unionist and working-class, Inter upper-class and conservative - is now moot, given the chairmanship of the right-wing Silvio Berlusconi at Milan. Their historical reason for difference has dissipated, as it arguably has for Juventus-Torino, Real Madrid-Atletico, and Panathinaikos-Olympiakos.

The Celtic-Rangers rivalry has been written about extensively, and needs no elaboration. Other than to say that if football can act as a metaphor for international and jingoistic warfare, then the Old Firm is the most articulate. But the Tyne-Wear derby wins in its secular and concise regional conflict.

It does, after all, predate football by 226 years. It is a conflict that has divided two cities, 12 miles apart, for more than three centuries.

In the epoch before the 1600s, King Charles I had consistently awarded the East of England Coal Trade Rights (try to contain your excitement) to Newcastle's traders, which rendered the Wearside coal merchants redundant. People died because of it. Coal and ships were Sunderland's raison d'etre.

But when, in 1642, the English Civil War started, and Newcastle, with good reason, supported the Crown, Sunderland, because of the trading inequalities, sided with Cromwell's Parliamentarians, and the division began.

It became a conflict between Sunderland's socialist republicanism, against Newcastle's loyalist self-interest. A purposeful enmity if ever there was one. Unlike rivalries between other clubs, the differences between Newcastle and Sunderland date back to fighting based on the necessity to live and feed one's children, and benefit one's city.

The political differences between the two culminated with the battle of Boldon Hill. A loyalist army from Newcastle and County Durham gathered to fight an anti-monarchist Sunderland and Scottish army at a field equidistant between the two towns.

The joint Scottish and Sunderland army won - and Newcastle was colonised by the Scottish. It was subsequently used as a Republican military base for the rest of war.

And while this is a lucid basis for two cities hating each other, it has, like every other modern-day derby, developed profoundly irrational manifestations.

It has been noted that some Newcastle fans refuse to buy bacon, because of its 'red-and-white appearance' - the pinnacle, regardless of any jovial flippancy, of irrational behaviour. Likewise the past Mackem boycott of a particular breakfast cereal, because of the Newcastle-orientated marketing of its brand, is silly beyond words. However, these are benign occurrences.

In March 2000, more than 70 Sunderland and Newcastle hooligans took part in some of the worst football-related violence ever seen in Britain. It was not even a match day. What the police called 'usually respectable men and fathers' had decided to meet in mutual territory with their enemies, to fight with knives, bats and bricks.

Sunderland fans boarded a ferry towards Tyneside, found the awaiting 'army', and fought. One man was left permanently brain-damaged. Dozens of people were arrested, and years upon years of prison-time was sentenced.

The continuation of tension involves a new sense of injustice. For well over a decade, Sunderland's population has bemoaned that they have been paying their local taxes to finance both the Newcastle Metro and airport.

A perceived bias towards Tyneside in the regional and national media further compounds a feeling of inequality. It seems that history is repeating itself for the people of Sunderland, albeit in a less livelihood-threatening sort of way. Perhaps a more trivial, city-image sort of way.

But this makes little sense. Let's just hope that despite the hijacking of the game by the corporate class, and the working-class ostracising that comes with it, there remain terraces from which Mackems and Geordies can vent their invariably abusive opinions of each other without violence and civil war.

Why Mackems and Geordies?

The derivations are uncertain, but both have theories based in historical political allegiances. 'Geordie' because of Tyneside's staunch support of the Hanoverian King George II during the 1745 Jacobite Rebellion - 'Geordie' is a common diminutive of 'George'; and Mackem because of Wearside's accommodation of the Scottish 'Blue Mac' army during the civil war.

It is more likely, however, that the origins stem from aspects of the shipbuilding and coalmining industries. The Tyneside coalminers preferred George Stephenson's 'Geordie' safety lamp over the more widely used Humphry Davy lamp. And it has been accepted almost universally that Mackem is derived from the phrase Mak(e)'em and Tak(e)'em, coined by Tyneside shipbuilders to insult their counterparts on the River Wear, who would build the ships and have them taken away by the richer classes.

Read more: good article on the derby - RTG Sunderland Message Boards

its derby day tomorrow, newcastle v sunderland, one of the biggest days of the year for a mackem or geordie, this is what its all about, a win and you're in ecstasy , a city in celebration, a loss and youre going home to sulk like a child.
dont be a fucking gay, support your club

10-26-2010, 12:59 AM	#21 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,108 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,580 Thanked 3,128 Times in 1,721 Posts	dur, that happens in every city that has ever won a championship, until they win another one...the cowboys have won a grip, so their fans expect/demand more...this all sounds like whining to me... If you want a bandwagon to jump on, jump on the NY Giants or Jets' because in the coming weeks the hype around those teams is going to reach critical mass... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

10-26-2010, 01:06 AM	#22 (permalink)
Snowmayne Hero of the Internet Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,740 Thanks: 494 Thanked 4,294,967,295 Times in 958 Posts	thats the thing, this aint no bandwagon jumping. I've stuck by Dallas teams my whole life, never even pulled for a college team outside of Tx. Dallas is no longer my home and hasn't been for 7+ years, what am I forced to stick with them my whole lift cause I grew up there? __________________ We women, we gain weight because we accumulate so much wisdom and knowledge that there isn't enough space in our heads, and it spreads all over our bodies. We are not fat, we are greatly cultivated. Every time I see my curves in the mirror, I tell myself: "How amazing am I ?! "

10-26-2010, 01:15 AM	#23 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,108 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,580 Thanked 3,128 Times in 1,721 Posts	I will always be a Seahawks fan, regardless of what other teams I choose to follow, the Seahawks will always be number one, and they haven't ever won a championship,... I still wear my tatupu jersey every sunday, because I know that when I do, I'm not just watching for this week but to remember of all the weeks before it, the honor, the loyalty, the heartache(often), the moments of joy(not so often)...It takes me back to the good days rooting for the Hawks, and it is a feeling that I can't duplicate cheering for anyone else... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

10-26-2010, 01:17 AM	#24 (permalink)
Snowmayne Hero of the Internet Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,740 Thanks: 494 Thanked 4,294,967,295 Times in 958 Posts	thats true, and I'm not saying I'd never pull for the boys again, cause deep down I know I will, I love my city where I grew up, maybe this is more about finding a second team for a while, so I can express my anger for our current situations. __________________ We women, we gain weight because we accumulate so much wisdom and knowledge that there isn't enough space in our heads, and it spreads all over our bodies. We are not fat, we are greatly cultivated. Every time I see my curves in the mirror, I tell myself: "How amazing am I ?! "

10-26-2010, 01:19 AM	#25 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,108 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,580 Thanked 3,128 Times in 1,721 Posts	I hear that, I've long claimed the niners and titans as and thens... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

10-26-2010, 03:13 AM	#26 (permalink)
Snowmayne Hero of the Internet Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,740 Thanks: 494 Thanked 4,294,967,295 Times in 958 Posts	lol just saw the loss, 1-5 now. Romo out. __________________ We women, we gain weight because we accumulate so much wisdom and knowledge that there isn't enough space in our heads, and it spreads all over our bodies. We are not fat, we are greatly cultivated. Every time I see my curves in the mirror, I tell myself: "How amazing am I ?! "

10-26-2010, 01:11 PM	#27 (permalink)
stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,646 Thanks: 704 Thanked 1,512 Times in 1,067 Posts	You can't switch teams otherwise you had no team in the first place.

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