The [new] SEMIOFFICIAL supplement thread

[Rubix]

Forgive me if we still have it, I couldn't find it.

For a shake in the morning...after I eat a light breakfast

9 oz of raw [whole] milk
scoop of freeze dried acai powder
1 heaping scoop of gold standard banana cream whey protein
small amount of hemp protein (just to use it up)
couple teaspoons of flax seed
frozen blue berries and strawberries
Tb. of Xylitol
and a soaked water/mixture (gel), amount of chia seeds. tasteless and o so good for the body.

Fills easily 24 oz or more. I use a Vita-Mix™ my mom has had for several years passed down from my grandma. The thing is rugged as fuck but am pretty sure the blades are getting a bit dull from grinding frozen shit all the time.

Amazon.com: Chia Seeds 2 Pounds: Health & Personal Care)
The Magic of Chia Seed - an excellent source* of EFAs and other nutrients

As far as pills, I take a couple "Perfect-multi" brand caps, made by Purity Products, I also take a pro biotic, calcium citrate, and HA Joint Formula -- another supplement put out by Purity, an overflowing turmeric capsule , fish oil with EPA and DHA, vitamin D-3.


Usually ill take up to about 20 supplement type pills in a day. Mom says I'm not even taking enough since I do drugs and she's so worried about every little thing. Would you drink raw milk if you could afford it? My mom is part of a co-op thing where grass fed cows and goats milka long with eggs are dropped off and sold in locations around town. Thing is, the guy that's delivering the product works for a major food and dairy company distributing pasteurized milk so he gets worried about losing his job for selling "dangerous products" like raw milk, even tho it is legal, just not legal to distribute in a regular manner. Whenever there's something in the media about raw milk, like if a few people got sick, it's such major news and propaganda bs comin your way.

Remember, your doc likely doesn't know squat about nutrition

Knowledge is POWER, strive for the best. I was at the pharmacy picking up Soma the other day and glanced at a calcium supplement made by a widely distributed brand, natures made or something like it. Anyway, i look at the ingredients and its Calcium carbonate and magnesium stearate as the first two. It just baffles me my grandmas doctor told her to take Tums as a way to get stronger while also on a bone drug :

(A Patriot Act for Food? | Preserving Your Privacy and Wealth



I'm a couple weeks away from finishing my back rehab, then on to the gym to keep the pain away Roman chairs are so important to maintaining lower back strength; also on a similar note, my "Back-a-traction" inversion table is a bust for me. I can feel my spine is compressed, but laying on a table for a few times a day for 15 minutes so far hasn't provided any unique relief. However, an iJoy does work its miracles for temporarily relief.

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Stevia crystals i Think^

Raw Milk. What's In It?

[Rubix]

Raw Milk Safety?


No website about raw milk would be complete without a discussion of bacteria, both good and bad. And that's a key point. Not all bacteria are bad characters(1). (At right, Lactobacillus brevis, one of the good guys...)

The news is full of Salmonella and E. coli outbreaks these days. No food seems to be immune. What is generally swept under the rug in discussions about raw milk, however, is the protection given by lactic acid-producing bacteria normally present.

In what microbiologists call the principal of Competitive Exclusion, non-pathogenic bacteria like, say, Lactococcus lactis, can actually limit or kill bad bugs like Listeria monocytogenes, responsible for hundreds of illnesses yearly (2).

It seems lactic acid is really hard on the germs that can make us sick if their numbers get too high. Nice system!

But make no mistake, ANY food can be contaminated (3). It usually boils down to how it was produced, handled and packaged. (Certainly, low quality raw milk in the mid-1800's, contaminated with tuberculosis bacilli, had its unwanted share of the limelight). Lots of variation exists in each of these areas. And besides, not many foods have built-in lactic acid producers policing the neighborhood.

Take the pasteurization process, for instance. While it certainly destroys bacteria, good and bad (and thus reduces the potential for infection), it's far from flawless (4).

Pasteurized milk still sickens people, and in far greater numbers than the more heavily regulated raw product (5). The real question ought to be, how are pathogens getting anywhere near cows to begin with.

The Swedes have practically eliminated Salmonella from their herds. At one dairy feeding organic grass to their cows, the very manure is pathogen-free (6)!

Raw milk from cows fed diets heavy in grain (7), soybeans (8) and cottonseed meal (9), etc., apparently cannot effectively protect itself from pathogenic infection. Everyone agrees, it must be pasteurized.

Heating milk renders its immunoglobulins less capable of bacterial self-defense (10). With the destruction of its tiny bacterial lactic acid factories and other heat-sensitive anti-microbial substances, it can no longer protect itself as effectively (11)(12).

To repeat: without the minerals and nutrients from a diet of fresh green grass that millions of years of evolution have coded for, the milk is just not made with the normal bevy of bactericidal ingredients designed by Nature to stifle unwanted microbial growth.

Know the source of your raw milk and demand that it be from predominantly grass-fed animals. Preferably organic.

I can't stress strongly enough that the health of the cows, how they're fed, (green grass or starchy grains), where they're confined (pasture or manure-laden pen) and how the milk is collected all contribute to the safety and nutrition of the finished product (13). Dr. William Campbell Douglass, author of The Milk Book, explains in the video below:



Ultimately, you'll have to draw your own conclusions, but don't accept the word of any so-called expert (including this site) when it comes to feeding yourself and your family. Question everything you put in your mouth.

Seek out information on how your food was produced. Find out what substances were added or removed to enhance somebody else's profit margin.

Don't let the government and the giant food companies do your homework/thinking for you. Your health must be in your hands alone!

```Raw Milk Safety



References:

(1) Probiotic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(2) Control of Listeria spp. by Competitive-Exclusion Bacteria in Floor Drains of a Poultry Processing Plant -- Zhao et al. 72 (5): 3314 -- Applied and Environmental Microbiology
(3) Food Counterfeiting, Contamination Outpace International Regulatory Systems
(4) Fahey, T., Morgan, D., et al, 1995. An outbreak of Campylobacter jejeuni enteritis associated with failed milk pasteurization. J of Infection 31:137-43
(5) Of microbes and milk; probing America's worst salmonella outbreak | FDA Consumer | Find Articles at BNET
(6) ORGANIC PASTURES FRESH RAW DAIRY (Question #9)
(7) http://www.thecattlesite.com/disease...rumen-acidosis
(8) Soy Meal for Cows, by Trauger Groh
(9) http://jds.fass.org/cgi/reprint/68/10/2608
(10) Inhibitors in milk
(11) Effect of heat treatment on camel milk proteins with respect to antimicrobial factors: a comparison with cows' and buffalo milk proteins
(12) Bactericidal Activities of Milk Lipids -- Sprong et al. 45 (4): 1298 -- Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy
(13) Lipids in Health and Disease | Full text | Bovine milk in human nutrition - a review.

[Bearsy]

[Rubix]

yea, its quite groundbreaking for some people

[Grieves]

no one should drink the tit pus from another creature...

[Rubix]

na, they should. natural is the way to go.

[Grieves]

you are fooled son....what other creatures feed from the milk of other creatures...It isn't formulated for humans, it is formulated for the young of the species, for a time when they can't get the proper nutrition themselves...

[Rubix]

continue....

[Rubix]

Originally Posted by Grieves

you are fooled son....what other creatures feed from the milk of other creatures...It isn't formulated for humans, it is formulated for the young of the species, for a time when they can't get the proper nutrition themselves...

its a helluva lot EASIER to get healthy proper nutrition when it's not pasteurized. Either way, it's a choice

btw i didn't mean for this to be about solely flash pasteurization.

Anyone take colloidal silver for any ailments?

[Rubix]

my mom suffers from chronic dry eye and the only thing that she has felt relief from is peppermint oil dabbled under her eye lid.

[Snowmayne]

Lipotropic by LG Sciences vanilla or chocolate whey protein

Anavite by Gaspari Nutrition or Opti-Men by Optimum Nutrition for multi

Fish Oil caps by Optimum Nutrition

Kre-Alkalyn creatine by SciFit

the basics

and for the extras

Anadraulic State GT by LG Sciences for a pre workout boost

REDuction PM for by Controlled Labs for a sleep aide

Generate by LG Sciences for added sleep/recovery/growth benefits

BC+EAA by LG Sciences for added recovery and growth



yea i get a lot of free stuff by being a rep

[Rubix]

I really wonder what the future holds for supplement manufacturers.

I had some DMAA from a website. Suppose to be an extract of geranium oil. Not sure if you've heard of Dimethylamilimine but it was marketed as an energy boosting supplement for preworkout absorption. When I got to the gym I feltdrained and out of breath and had to go home. uke:

[Snowmayne]

more regulations eventually which has its disadvantages and advantages

[Suliman]

We get our milk from a local farmer guy. its completely raw, in oldschool milk bottles, cream and all. Technically, since youre not allowed to sell unpasteurized milk for human consumption, we're buying "Dog food". It sure beats the hell out of homogenized milk, or milk from cows treated with rBST.

[Rubix]

recommended by the meat head in the shoppe

[Snowmayne]

yea thats not bad creatine, kre-alkalyn really offeres no scientifically proven advantage over regular creatine monohydrate, it is less likely to cause some bloating though.

[Rubix]

I used to drink 11 grams of powder creatine glutamine and taurine, it's so nasty bitter.

Isn't it better to take it encapsulated?

[Snowmayne]

if encapsulated means in capsules no, theres no advantage over powder, if anything says so its a marketing tactic.

supplementing glutamine is pretty pointless if you already have a decent diet. Theres a ton of info saying how good glutamine is, but any well regarded scientific study, will show theres no point in supplementing it.


I usually stick with a normal creatine monohydrate, flavored, so its always been good. This time I splurged a little and got Controlled Labs Green Mag just to try something different.

[Rubix]

I thought the whole point of not mixing with a liquid was to not create creatinine

Originally Posted by http://www.fitwise.com/buffered_creatine.as p

Buffered Creatine Facts and Information
I'm sure you remember all the hype about Creatine Monohydrate when it first came on the market.

Some people gained fast with creatine. Others didn't gain an ounce. Why?

Shortly after its introduction to the bodybuilding world, it was discovered that in order to REALLY make gains with creatine, it had to be taken many times throughout the day... with dosages of 15 to 20 grams or more per day. And you had to start with a "loading phase" of 30 or 40 grams per day for the first five days.

You could make gains with that protocol but the stomach discomfort and diarrhea made it almost unbearable.

Then came all the "improved" creatine formulations that claimed they got more creatine to the muscle cells... and faster, too.

But there was still the problem of stomach upset and diarrhea. Plus people got FAT while taking them. Why?

These "new and improved" creatine formulas were nothing more than plain old creatine mixed with some simple sugars. They didn't get more creatine to the muscle cells any faster than plain creatine. But they DID cause massive insulin spikes due to the simple sugars... and that caused fat gain!

There Are Tons Of Scientific Studies Proving
Creatine's Positive Effects On Muscle Growth
And Strength... So Why Doesn't It Work
That Way In The "Real World"?

When creatine supplements were tested after mixing with liquid (ANY kind of liquid), a disturbing discovery was made.

It was found that IMMEDIATELY after adding any liquid to creatine monohydrate, the majority of it rapidly converted to the toxic by-product creatinine. This held true no matter how "unique" or "new and improved" the formulation claimed to be, or the purity of the dry creatine content.

No wonder so many people get stomach problems and don't make gains with creatine! Due to this conversion problem, it's almost impossible to get enough creatine to the muscle cells.

And even worse... after the creatine is mixed with liquid and rapidly converts to creatinine... it is a toxic substance!

Some of the side effects from increased creatinine levels are stomach cramps and bloating, diarrhea, water retention, dehydration, headaches and liver and kidney problems.

When you take sufficient quantities to make gains from the old fashioned creatine... the side effects are practically unbearable.

Knowing how effective creatine has the POTENTIAL to be in increasing muscle growth, a team of top-notch scientists addressed the toxic conversion of creatine monohydrate.

They finally discovered a successful method of keeping creatine monohydrate stable and completely free of toxic conversion. With this unique process, the main problem with creatine supplementation (the inability to deliver concentrated amounts of creatine without toxic conversion) was solved.

Buffered Creatine is free of unwanted creatinine conversion, it puts an end to the days of having to saturate your body with huge ten to twenty gram amounts of creatine monohydrate to get the desired strength, endurance and muscle building effects.

More importantly, Buffered Creatine allows you to safely take creatine to its full and most potent effects, with only a fraction of previous dosages.

[Roach]

I eat one meal a day...when I get hungry , whatever I'm hungry for.

Today's total
1 -centrum silver
2 -glucosamine, makes my joints less noisy.
2 - 200 iu ibuprophen, makes my joints ache less

and 6 big fat hot dogs with yellow mustard saturating them.(no buns)

about 10 chocolate covered macadamia nuts.

8-10 large cups of coffee.