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Old 10-20-2008, 05:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Sometimes it isn't very pretty.

In primitive cultures, the primary source of threat to human beings is Nature. But in economically-advanced countries, it is not nature, but other human beings who make us feel threatened most of the time.

Human beings are constantly hurting each other in both their intimate relationships and in their social relationships.

Yes, sometimes the pain they inflict is physical, but most of the time it is emotional in nature. With a bit of reflection, it becomes quite apparent that Emotional Pain is the single greatest remaining threat that human beings must deal with in the modern era.
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With just a little bit of reflection, it becomes obvious that our instincts are the source of all human cruelty.

Yes, it is actually true that human beings are cruel to other human beings because they are biologically programmed to do so.

Fortunately, we are not entirely dependent upon these instincts for our motivation.

We also have Minds that are able to recognize alternative response options that are superior to our instinctive urges !
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If we notice that we've been criticized, we feel an instinctive urge to 'defend ourselves' by criticizing the critic.

Some individuals become so impressed with the effectiveness of their counterattacks, they begin to regularly launch pre-emptive strikes to warn off any who might be tempted to criticize them.

In civilized circles, these pre-emptive strikes usually take the form of humor. Having fun at another person’s expense lets all observers know that you have the capacity to inflict a lot of pain on them if they make the mistake of criticizing you.

In less civilized environments, Bullies are quite willing to go beyond humor when executing their pre-emptive strikes and counterattacks. For them, the use or threat of physical violence is an acceptable or even preferred option.
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Very true. Some people are more sensitive than others, and can ward off an attack easily by showing no emotion. The trick is to retaliate only when it will come out as logical. If someone shows blind anger with a generalized insult like, "bitch, asshole" it can usually backfire unless you are physically stronger or intimidating.

Even being physically stronger can make no difference in our modern era. It is perfectly legal to insult someone without overt harrassment, but to use physical violence can get you in trouble. These cruel people you speak of take advantage of this. Most are not physically strong, and are usually with friends or a clique when they launch attacks.

In the past, and more primitive cultures today (not necessarily less civilized), it is physical strength that prevails, not emotional.

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Those who are present as witnesses when a teasing/ridicule event takes place discover that they enjoy not being 'in the victim's shoes.'



The 'approval' that bullies receive from their followers is related to the type of 'approval' sought by those who try to elicit the envy of others.
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First, we must make everyone aware of the Emotional Facts of Life. This defines the educational mission that we must carry out.

Second, we must encourage everyone to reveal their emotional vulnerability to each other. Instead of distracting the attention of others away from our emotional vulnerability, we need to focus their attention on it instead and on the fact that everyone has the same emotional vulnerability.

Third, we must intervene whenever some individual 'forgets' how important it is for us to never hurt others with gratuitous criticism. If some individual insists on being cruel to another, everyone else must join together to heap derision on the transgressor. People need to understand the power they have to bring an end to gratuitous emotional victimization by collectively pressuring victimizers to admit their emotional vulnerability to the world.


With a sense of moral conviction and commitment to the virtues of Emotional Honesty, we could finally defeat the Dark Side of Human Nature, the part that encourages us to treat each other cruelly.
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What is worse I ask, threat of natural disaster, or emotional pain ? Is one any worse then the other ?
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And in dealing with emotional pain I believe we must know what situations are emotionally painful to us and actively try to avoid them, and know what situations cause us emotional pleasure and actively pursue them. This will not eliminate the pain we experience emotionally all together but It will reduce the amount of pain if we use good judgement and know ourselves.
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Sometimes it isn't very pretty.

In primitive cultures, the primary source of threat to human beings is Nature. But in economically-advanced countries, it is not nature, but other human beings who make us feel threatened most of the time.

Human beings are constantly hurting each other in both their intimate relationships and in their social relationships.

Yes, sometimes the pain they inflict is physical, but most of the time it is emotional in nature. With a bit of reflection, it becomes quite apparent that Emotional Pain is the single greatest remaining threat that human beings must deal with in the modern era.
primitive cultures were just as cruel if not more viciously brutal... just a few hundred years ago the majority of the human population were slaves or pseudo slave peasants and different groups of people were engaged in constant wars with eachother and within themselves.

human nature is such that people are cruel too each other, just like every living organism on the planet we involved in a Darwinian/Malthusian world where you are in competition with your own species for resources and mates. education, society, equality and democracy try to suppress this instinctual selfishness but it is always there more so in some people. but less developed/less democratic are a lot worse so im happy to live in a reasonably stable place

realizing the fact that people arent inherently good is important because even if you have the most intelligent ideology and you believe in respecting other people the fact is that you are still at the mercy of a person who does not have such nice ideology.

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primitive cultures were just as cruel if not more viciously brutal... just a few hundred years ago the majority of the human population were slaves or pseudo slave peasants and different groups of people were engaged in constant wars with eachother and within themselves.

human nature is such that people are cruel too each other, just like every living organism on the planet we involved in a Darwinian/Malthusian world where you are in competition with your own species for resources and mates. education, society, equality and democracy try to suppress this instinctual selfishness but it is always there more so in some people. but less developed/less democratic are a lot worse so im happy to live in a reasonably stable place

realizing the fact that people arent inherently good is important because even if you have the most intelligent ideology and you believe in respecting other people the fact is that you are still at the mercy of a person who does not have such nice ideology.

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Intelligent ideology, and nice ideology are both subjective. What do you mean by nice ideology, and intelligent ideology.
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I dont believe an Intelligent Ideology always = a nice Ideology. It would be nice to give a family who's homeless a thousand bucks for christmas, but that wouldnt be an intelligent ideology if thats 100% of my income, then I would be broke. Not trying to challenge you Ted, but I disagree with the notion that an intelligent Ideology leads to being at the mercy of other people, I actually think its the other way around.
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primitive cultures were just as cruel if not more viciously brutal... just a few hundred years ago the majority of the human population were slaves or pseudo slave peasants and different groups of people were engaged in constant wars with eachother and within themselves.

human nature is such that people are cruel too each other, just like every living organism on the planet we involved in a Darwinian/Malthusian world where you are in competition with your own species for resources and mates. education, society, equality and democracy try to suppress this instinctual selfishness but it is always there more so in some people. but less developed/less democratic are a lot worse so im happy to live in a reasonably stable place

realizing the fact that people arent inherently good is important because even if you have the most intelligent ideology and you believe in respecting other people the fact is that you are still at the mercy of a person who does not have such nice ideology.

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To say people aren't inherently good is true in the sense of sharing, compassion, and helping others. I don't believe in such a thing as right or wrong, but there is no question that in developed nations like the US, that our system goes against what human nature is; survival.

This idea of trying to make people more compassionate is actually more hurtful to victims. We have to teach victims to strengthen themselves either physically and/or mentally.

PharmGirl, maybe you don't understand because you are a female. It is typical for women to have this utopian view of the world by thinking we can solve the world's problems through understanding and compassion.

And TedKennedy, it's not in our nature to always be cruel. For example, some dogs play friendly with smaller dogs. There is not a single species of animals besides humans that engages in torture. For animals, killing is stricly business, malicious torture is a byproduct of human evolution combined with technology. Humans are the most sadistic and cruel species on Earth.
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So are you saying understanding and compassion cant solve the worlds problems ? How about more food supply to the starving kids in Africa ? Does that not solve the problem of some of those childrens hunger ? Is that not compassion ?
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primitive cultures were just as cruel if not more viciously brutal... just a few hundred years ago the majority of the human population were slaves or pseudo slave peasants and different groups of people were engaged in constant wars with eachother and within themselves.

human nature is such that people are cruel too each other, just like every living organism on the planet we involved in a Darwinian/Malthusian world where you are in competition with your own species for resources and mates. education, society, equality and democracy try to suppress this instinctual selfishness but it is always there more so in some people. but less developed/less democratic are a lot worse so im happy to live in a reasonably stable place

realizing the fact that people arent inherently good is important because even if you have the most intelligent ideology and you believe in respecting other people the fact is that you are still at the mercy of a person who does not have such nice ideology.

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i just had a stoner thought. if people who are hindu believe in (reincarnation) that shit where if you are good you come back as a better person and if you are bad you come back as a beetle.... then wouldnt by now over generations of assholes being filtered out and turned into beatles, the world should now be filled with only the good people (and assholish beatles)
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Thats a really good observation dude, but the thing is that people born on this earth may be inherintly good, but turn bad through maybe an external event. That doesnt make the person bad, just the external event.
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